3rd Gen Engine Failures

jarbarian said:
So Mid-Size meaning a step down?
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Yep. I'm only towing about 4-5K now so mid-size is fine and would be easier to drive, fit in the garage, and take up less space in the driveway. I think I can count on one hand how often I have had passengers in the back in the last 5 years so that's fine as well. But I'm constantly loading cargo, beer, and groceries back there, and I've come to really value the flat cargo platform of the Ram. All the mid-size lacks that ability unfortunately.
 
Dusdaddy said:
Yep. I'm only towing about 4-5K now so mid-size is fine and would be easier to drive, fit in the garage, and take up less space in the driveway. I think I can count on one hand how often I have had passengers in the back in the last 5 years so that's fine as well. But I'm constantly loading cargo, beer, and groceries back there, and I've come to really value the flat cargo platform of the Ram. All the mid-size lacks that ability unfortunately.
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Ah ok that makes sense. I dumped my 2020 Tacoma TRD for the 2024 Tundra TRD simply because I plan on buying some acreage and doing some farming work (light, not heavy) and I wanted a bigger truck to accommodate. Let's just hope this truck doesn't implode.
 
jarbarian said:
Ah ok that makes sense. I dumped my 2020 Tacoma TRD for the 2024 Tundra TRD simply because I plan on buying some acreage and doing some farming work (light, not heavy) and I wanted a bigger truck to accommodate. Let's just hope this truck doesn't implode.
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Sure, nothing wrong with that. For me, I could buy a small SUV for running around daily and keep my truck for the long trips towing and other local utility work. That would be the smartest choice, but I want to make that 500 mile drive more comfortable and convenient than I have now. Probably why I haven't pulled the trigger on a new truck yet, I'm still hoping I'll come to my senses.....lol.
 
Dusdaddy said:
Sure, nothing wrong with that. For me, I could buy a small SUV for running around daily and keep my truck for the long trips towing and other local utility work. That would be the smartest choice, but I want to make that 500 mile drive more comfortable and convenient than I have now. Probably why I haven't pulled the trigger on a new truck yet, I'm still hoping I'll come to my senses.....lol.
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I can say, without a doubt, the 2024 Tundra TRD Limited 4x4 is a lot smoother ride than my 2020 Tacoma TRD 4x4.
 
duggydo said:
Car Care Nut released a video about the engine recall. He has some interesting info about part numbers changing on short blocks and bearings recently. Also, he owns a 3rd gen Tundra and talks about what he's doing.
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Yup, I saw it. Good information as usual.
 
Dusdaddy said:
lol...came here to see if anyone else saw that. What an excellent job he did explaining the situation and the details. He gave an objective overview of the situation without the chicken-little crap the others have done.
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I guess nobody has day jobs anymore… lol
 
Sadly I think I work harder now than before. I used to have "people" to do things for me at work. Now, I gotta go do it my damn self. I may go back to work to catch a break. The damn Honey-Do list is bottomless and has stricter deadlines than any other customer ever gave me.
 
Can we finally dispense with this notion of Toyota being infallible? I have had three Toyotas and two of them threw rods through the side of the block, I have never had any GM, Ford, Nissan or Chrysler do that.
 
NMTRUCKER said:
I had a deposit down on a ‘22 TUNDRA and after 6 months and no allocation I bailed. So, now knowing the engine problems and other issues with the Tundra would I buy a ‘25 TUNDRA?
Even though Toyota is replacing the defective engines it would still be a hard NO. Why? For one the nearest Toyota dealer is an hour and a half away. Second, we had my wife’s 2008 Highlander serviced (oil, filter, air filter) at this dealership. I checked out the car when she got home and found the radiator overfilled cap was not attached and the “mechanic” had broken one of the air filter box screws in half and the top of the filter box was just flopping up and down.
So would I trust those “mechanics” with installing a new engine in a truck? Needless to say of course NOT.
Best of “luck” to those folks buying a new Tundra. Hopefully your dealership mechanics are more qualified than the hacks where I live.
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I remember about 2005 or so I was having Toyota withdrawals after buying my 2004 Silverado, so I went to the local Toyota dealer to look at a Tundra RCLB 4x4 base model with the V8 and i was going to test drive it and the sales woman went to start it up and the battery was stone cold dead, she said she would jump start it, I said forget it and I snapped out of my Toyota withdrawals after that.
 
I'm not too concerned with the failures reported in 24/25 because they've all been pretty low milage, it tends to suggest a manufacuring defect. It seems like the tolerance for debris or shavings left in any crevace its very tight and less than perfect blocks probably leads to a failure right away.

That being said what concerned me is that the non-recall failures seem to be defaulting back to short block replacement.

Toyota just needs to sunset the short block replacement process for this engine. The short block replacement is far more fustrating and time consuming for both the customer and dealer and the repair has a high repeat rate, and is more determental to the long term value of the truck.

Toyota has figured out a good process and tooling to do a engine assembily replacement so that needs to be the new process for all engines.
 
rlc177 said:
I'm not too concerned with the failures reported in 24/25 because they've all been pretty low milage, it tends to suggest a manufacuring defect. It seems like the tolerance for debris or shavings left in any crevace its very tight and less than perfect blocks probably leads to a failure right away.

That being said what concerned me is that the non-recall failures seem to be defaulting back to short block replacement.

Toyota just needs to sunset the short block replacement process for this engine. The short block replacement is far more fustrating and time consuming for both the customer and dealer and the repair has a high repeat rate, and is more determental to the long term value of the truck.

Toyota has figured out a good process and tooling to do an engine assembily replacement so that needs to be the new process for all engines.
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How long do you think that would take? given the protection provided by a warranty, the percentages of these failures, and the amount of time and study into this problem, would you spend your money on a Tundra?
 
I already spent my money on a tundra, I own a 2023. Its currenlty not part of the recall. I have 5k miles on it over 2 years of life, there is no sign of any engine problems. Its a concern that it may fail because it doesn't seem like they nailed it down but failure is not a reality yet. The research suggests that the rate of failure of the non-recalled non-hybrids are much lower after the recall period. Its warrantied out 5 year 75K. If it failed I'd want an engine assembly like any recalled unit that would be the best repair.

Fundamently I think Toyota overall makes reliable vechiles WHEN they produce more than 500k of said vehciles. I can say that 3rd gen tacomas of 2016 and 2017 were NOT viewied by the community as reliable vechiles. 2018 improved a lot, but the community "rock solid 3rd gen tacoma" was probably not a thing until 2019 or 2020, by that time there was over that magical 500k on the road I owned a 2017 it had many "beta test" issues just like the trundra.

As far a when I would personally trade this tundra in for a possibly 4th gen tacoma, or 3.5 gen tundra would be when they got to that 500k on the road mark.
 
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