The truth about 2024 Tacoma transmissions failing

One of the original '24 MT Tacoma owners with transmission issues just lemon lawed his truck after waiting more than 4+ months for a fix that never came from Toyota. He went to the Ranger Raptor. I hope they can deal with the automatic issues quicker.

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Sad to get rid of Manual, but no choice

After dealing with the failed manual for 4 months, and having NO assurance from Toyota corporate that the replacement Taco I ordered would not have the...
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Fightnfire said:
One of the original '24 MT Tacoma owners with transmission issues just lemon lawed his truck after waiting more than 4+ months for a fix that never came from Toyota. He went to the Ranger Raptor. I hope they can deal with the automatic issues quicker.

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Sad to get rid of Manual, but no choice

After dealing with the failed manual for 4 months, and having NO assurance from Toyota corporate that the replacement Taco I ordered would not have the...
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I wonder about the "no assurance from Toyota corporate." Not that I think this is a lie, I just wonder about expectations.

For example, can Toyota corporate really assure anything? Wouldn't that hold them liable in court? Wouldn't that setup an expectation that if they didn't meet would look worse than what it is? Did Ford give him an assurance?

Just things bouncing around in my head.
 
testerdahl said:
I wonder about the "no assurance from Toyota corporate." Not that I think this is a lie, I just wonder about expectations.

For example, can Toyota corporate really assure anything? Wouldn't that hold them liable in court? Wouldn't that setup an expectation that if they didn't meet would look worse than what it is? Did Ford give him an assurance?

Just things bouncing around in my head.
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I think that's just frustrated/disappointed owner talk. I would have to read back through his original thread but I believe he couldn't get the manual transmission replaced after 4 months. He was one of the first to see a transmission issue back when it was thought to just be the manual having issues. Toyota doesn't allow custom orders so after waiting so long and not getting an answer he had mostly given up and was going to purchase an automatic. Then, when the automatic transmission started having issues and the TSB was issued he once again found himself possibly in a bind and couldn't get anything from Toyota corporate about which way to turn. Got frustrated and left to Ford.

Your not wrong, I don't think any other manufacturer really would have handled this specific situation differently... with the exception of issuing a recall and not relying on a TSB. That just leaves everyone hanging in the wind with no answers. That's a pretty quick way to lose trust.
 
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Would Toyota Japan taking over be really better?
Even more nannies and the LC300 is having issues overseas too with the engine.
 
testerdahl said:
Now that is an inside baseball comment. Really shows you have been paying attention.
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My opinion is Toyotas USA problems started with the first generation Tacoma, Toyota USA probably insisted they get a special USA only truck instead of the Hilux based Toyota (far superior to the Tacoma) Toyota Japan should have told Toyota USA to pound sand you get what everyone else gets just like the previous generations of trucks.
 
Hilux said:
My opinion is Toyotas USA problems started with the first generation Tacoma, Toyota USA probably insisted they get a special USA only truck instead of the Hilux based Toyota (far superior to the Tacoma) Toyota Japan should have told Toyota USA to pound sand you get what everyone else gets just like the previous generations of trucks.
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I don't think a Hilux would sale that well here. There's a reason why trucks keep getting more and more upscale with softer suspension.
 
TheDo114 said:
I don't think a Hilux would sale that well here. There's a reason why trucks keep getting more and more upscale with softer suspension.
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I think Toyota would have sold just as many Hilux based trucks as Tacoma trucks. One thing is certain Toyota would not have had to replace tens of thousands of Hilux frames because of rust.
 
Hilux said:
I think Toyota would have sold just as many Hilux based trucks as Tacoma trucks. One thing is certain Toyota would not have had to replace tens of thousands of Hilux frames because of rust.
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Was the frame rust a supplier issue from Dana? Wouldn't the Hilux then used the same supplier?
 
I think a lot of the USA spec models are necessary to comply with US Govt safety requirements, bumper heights, etc, that makes the “world” vehicle unimportable to the USA. On top of that, the US incentivizes manufacturers who build vehicles using US labor on US soil. I don’t think they ever considered modifying the Hilux to be importable.
 
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Wouldn't Toyota have chosen the supplier, type, coating and overall design regardless of who the supplier was?
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That was my point. I don't think you can say the Hilux wouldn't have had rust since it would have been equipped with the same frame from the same supplier.
 
Rotten.dalton said:
I think a lot of the USA spec models are necessary to comply with US Govt safety requirements, bumper heights, etc, that makes the “world” vehicle unimportable to the USA. On top of that, the US incentivizes manufacturers who build vehicles using US labor on US soil. I don’t think they ever considered modifying the Hilux to be importable.
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You are speaking about the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Specifications (FMVSS) and the so-called Chicken Tax, a 25% tarriff, on truck imports.
 
testerdahl said:
You are speaking about the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Specifications (FMVSS) and the so-called Chicken Tax, a 25% tarriff, on truck imports.
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That's why the 4Runner and Land Cruiser can be built in Japan and imported to the US. The Chicken Tax only applies to light pickups with an open bed. Subaru put backseats and seat belts in the Brat to get around the tax. I know you know this, but others may not.
 
Fightnfire said:
That's why the 4Runner and Land Cruiser can be built in Japan and imported to the US. The Chicken Tax only applies to light pickups with an open bed. Subaru put backseats and seat belts in the Brat to get around the tax. I know you know this, but others may not.
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Ford tried this as well with the Transit and had to end up paying a $365 million dollar fine. Basically, Ford put seats in the Transit van, imported from Turkey, and called them passenger vehicles. They brought them into the port and took out the seats and called them cargo vans. U.S. Justice officials weren't too happy with this switcheroo.

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Ford settles US tariff dodging allegations for $365M

The fine ends a long-running allegation that the automaker skirted a 25% 'chicken tax' on cargo vans assembled in Turkey.
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Mercedes also did the same thing for the longest time with the Sprinter van. They would built them in Germany, put extra seats, disassemble them completely, ship them to the US and re-assemble them at a factory in a port.
 
testerdahl said:
Was the frame rust a supplier issue from Dana? Wouldn't the Hilux then used the same supplier?
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Dana just made the frames, Toyota surely spec'd out the steel formulas and coatings I would think.
Thinking about it maybe that's why Toyota went a USA only Tacoma because Toyota could not get anyone in the USA to make Hilux spec frames.
If I could get in the Toyota engineering archives I could read that stuff for days or weeks, and I am not really a person that likes reading much unless its automotive type stuff, I have hundreds of auto brochures starting from about 1988 Chevy trucks that I got at a local auto show at a race track near me I still have the brochure.
 
Hilux said:
Dana just made the frames, Toyota surely spec'd out the steel formulas and coatings I would think.
Thinking about it maybe that's why Toyota went a USA only Tacoma because Toyota could not get anyone in the USA to make Hilux spec frames.
If I could get in the Toyota engineering archives I could read that stuff for days or weeks, and I am not really a person that likes reading much unless its automotive type stuff, I have hundreds of auto brochures starting from about 1988 Chevy trucks that I got at a local auto show at a race track near me I still have the brochure.
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Some automakers have archives and journalists can read meeting minutes and see correspondence. I have a friend who does this with classic cars. I was talking to him about this recently on a drive program and he said it took him a few months to get the story below written:

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The 1963 Ford Cardinal—too radical for America at the time

Here’s what happened when Ford tried to react to the Volkswagen Beetle.
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