Beninbeta
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Well as only of only actual owners of the 24 Tacoma on the forum I feel pretty weird reading a lot of the comments here. There's a ton of hate for Toyota and some of the negativity may be deserved, but some of it is not. I have about 2500 miles so far on my Taco and the only things wrong with it have been some minor software bugs, one of which seems to have been something wrong with the phone I had and not the trucks fault, and a blown fuse that took 3 secs to replace. Both my wife and I have been very happy with the truck. We've loaded it down to very near max payload, taken to 9,500+ feet of elevation on Colorado trails, crawled some fairly easy rock obstacles, climbed and descended 25-30 degree inclines as well as been off camber by about that same amount and has no issues at all. We never once lacked any power even on those inclines, the AT4Ws had little to no slips and on a couple I left it 4 high when I should probably should been in low.
I fail to see which of the other midsize trucks has any better technology in any area, with the exception of the trailer back-up assist from Ford. Or where it lacks features compared to other brands either. It is priced higher across the board, I agree with that. You can get better bang for your buck in the other brands. But that doesn't make the Tacoma a bad vehicle to buy or a "stinker', at least not as someone who purchased one and is really loving it so far.
On the 23 GMs only having software problems, I believe that to not be the case:
There was month long stop sale on the GMs for engine problems back in Feb, and there was a recall on the fuel injector. That plus the software issues that bricked peoples trucks.
But that all being said, I wouldn't call the vehicle a "stinker" or not recommend it to someone who was looking for a midsize truck. I drove both the Chevy and the GMC and there are going to be issues with all trucks of all years, 1st year or not.
I'd recommend the Ranger as well, have recommended on the Frontier on this forum and to others as well as the Gladiator or Ridgeline. I don't think you go wrong with any of them. I'm not a Toyota or any brand loyalist. The Tacoma was the best truck with the right features for me when we bought it and that should be the case for many people.
On the differential, if there has been only one report that anyone can find thus far, why can we not trust the chief engineer when he lets us know what actually happened. I have not seen that same type of openness from any other brand. It may be because someone broke an off the record agreement and maybe Sheldon would have done the interview anyway. It's strange to me that that so many people always jump to the negative stance on things like this. I thought it was very well explained by Sheldon and how many people will every be on a high degree of incline on rocky icy terrain with what amounts to street tires trying to climb up a steep trail?
Could they have added even more tolerance? Sure but if you try and engineer for every edge case, you'll never ship a product nor will that product be affordable. If every brand tried to top all the others in every category, we'd likely end up with 6 of the same truck and that'd be boring. I love the variety between brands, it's a great thing.
Now, this issue with the manual is a different thing. Since there are multiple failures that would be concerning to me if I were in the market for a manual. Toyota doesn't get a pass if there have been multiple failures and they will need to figure it out, which they will, but that that's not a consolation for those who own the truck. That being said, a manual transmission is not for everyone, trucks shift very different from cars and that takes some getting used, but shouldn't really be a problem for anyone with experience driving a manual.
I found it interesting that they Elmer says he's not sure if it was him or not. It could have been a mistake and Toyota looked at the data to determine what happened. They didn't throw TFL under the bus for using the wrong terrain mode for a situation, they owned up to the issue and issued a statement with their findings. @testerdahl how often does that happen with other brands addressing issues like this? When Car Confections had the transmission fail on the 24 Santa Fe, the dealership just dealt with, no real explanation other than it failed and that happened to them twice. Being this was manual and Elmer was doing something you don't normally do in everyday driving, though I have had several manuals in my life and enjoyed them all, but you can make mistakes sometimes, he may have dropped it into 1st on accident. That stuff happens.
Anyway, I don't go around crapping on the truck y'all bought and own. if you own it and you want to crap on it, then that's one thing you have experience with it and have a story behind it. This guy is pretty upset and hates the 24 Ranger because his engine failed on him so he has a right to let off a little steam about it. But the post right under that points out how long that engine has been used by Ford with very little issues, but anyone can have them. I hope it's not me and so far it hasn't been with the 24 Tacoma. And I don't wish any of you have issues with your vehicles either. We all spend our hard earn money on these things and they should last.
If we did our homework, we should be happy with what we buy. If we like what we have it's hard to see the other side sometimes and vice versa, But I wouldn't ever tell someone else their vehicle sucks if had 0 experience with it myself. I'm not sure why some people need to that to others, it's never made sense to me. Time will tell on all of these new trucks and all of then have and will have issues just like every other vehicle that came before them.
And on value, if you want a manual transmission there are not many choices out there. GM and Ford are both out of the running completely for a midsize.
I fail to see which of the other midsize trucks has any better technology in any area, with the exception of the trailer back-up assist from Ford. Or where it lacks features compared to other brands either. It is priced higher across the board, I agree with that. You can get better bang for your buck in the other brands. But that doesn't make the Tacoma a bad vehicle to buy or a "stinker', at least not as someone who purchased one and is really loving it so far.
On the 23 GMs only having software problems, I believe that to not be the case:
There was month long stop sale on the GMs for engine problems back in Feb, and there was a recall on the fuel injector. That plus the software issues that bricked peoples trucks.
But that all being said, I wouldn't call the vehicle a "stinker" or not recommend it to someone who was looking for a midsize truck. I drove both the Chevy and the GMC and there are going to be issues with all trucks of all years, 1st year or not.
I'd recommend the Ranger as well, have recommended on the Frontier on this forum and to others as well as the Gladiator or Ridgeline. I don't think you go wrong with any of them. I'm not a Toyota or any brand loyalist. The Tacoma was the best truck with the right features for me when we bought it and that should be the case for many people.
On the differential, if there has been only one report that anyone can find thus far, why can we not trust the chief engineer when he lets us know what actually happened. I have not seen that same type of openness from any other brand. It may be because someone broke an off the record agreement and maybe Sheldon would have done the interview anyway. It's strange to me that that so many people always jump to the negative stance on things like this. I thought it was very well explained by Sheldon and how many people will every be on a high degree of incline on rocky icy terrain with what amounts to street tires trying to climb up a steep trail?
Could they have added even more tolerance? Sure but if you try and engineer for every edge case, you'll never ship a product nor will that product be affordable. If every brand tried to top all the others in every category, we'd likely end up with 6 of the same truck and that'd be boring. I love the variety between brands, it's a great thing.
Now, this issue with the manual is a different thing. Since there are multiple failures that would be concerning to me if I were in the market for a manual. Toyota doesn't get a pass if there have been multiple failures and they will need to figure it out, which they will, but that that's not a consolation for those who own the truck. That being said, a manual transmission is not for everyone, trucks shift very different from cars and that takes some getting used, but shouldn't really be a problem for anyone with experience driving a manual.
I found it interesting that they Elmer says he's not sure if it was him or not. It could have been a mistake and Toyota looked at the data to determine what happened. They didn't throw TFL under the bus for using the wrong terrain mode for a situation, they owned up to the issue and issued a statement with their findings. @testerdahl how often does that happen with other brands addressing issues like this? When Car Confections had the transmission fail on the 24 Santa Fe, the dealership just dealt with, no real explanation other than it failed and that happened to them twice. Being this was manual and Elmer was doing something you don't normally do in everyday driving, though I have had several manuals in my life and enjoyed them all, but you can make mistakes sometimes, he may have dropped it into 1st on accident. That stuff happens.
Anyway, I don't go around crapping on the truck y'all bought and own. if you own it and you want to crap on it, then that's one thing you have experience with it and have a story behind it. This guy is pretty upset and hates the 24 Ranger because his engine failed on him so he has a right to let off a little steam about it. But the post right under that points out how long that engine has been used by Ford with very little issues, but anyone can have them. I hope it's not me and so far it hasn't been with the 24 Tacoma. And I don't wish any of you have issues with your vehicles either. We all spend our hard earn money on these things and they should last.
If we did our homework, we should be happy with what we buy. If we like what we have it's hard to see the other side sometimes and vice versa, But I wouldn't ever tell someone else their vehicle sucks if had 0 experience with it myself. I'm not sure why some people need to that to others, it's never made sense to me. Time will tell on all of these new trucks and all of then have and will have issues just like every other vehicle that came before them.
And on value, if you want a manual transmission there are not many choices out there. GM and Ford are both out of the running completely for a midsize.
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