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In glancing through the Privacy Statement by just downloading the app you give them permission to collect and use data including 3rd party services working with GM.
Zane Merva, from GM-trucks.com, just messaged me and said he requested his information from Lexis Nexis. When he gets it, that will be interesting.One question I have on this video. Has anyone shown that that they have sold personal info? I mean like your name, address, etc. and driving habits? I find that one a stretch without specific consent above and beyond what you consented to for use of the system. General info like 40% of GMC owners are hard on brakes, I get. But not Tim Esterdahl is hard on brakes. That's what I want to know, did they cross that line? Even Steve's video was vague on that.
My understanding is that GMC is allegedly selling the data to LexisNexis. Insurance companies buy data from LexisNexis. I've filled a request to get my personal data report from LexisNexis. I'd like to see for myself which data they have and how it's presented. Not sure if the report will show who they’ve shared it with.One question I have on this video. Has anyone shown that that they have sold personal info? I mean like your name, address, etc. and driving habits? I find that one a stretch without specific consent above and beyond what you consented to for use of the system. General info like 40% of GMC owners are hard on brakes, I get. But not Tim Esterdahl is hard on brakes. That's what I want to know, did they cross that line? Even Steve's video was vague on that.
Let us know what the out come is, its interesting to see how they word their response. Im currently looking for GM electrical and electronic manuals from 2019 onwards, if anybody knows of a site that has them, please let me know, also any other OEM would be fine also, I want to see what and how the others are doing things, Im trying to track down where GM has plopped down the telemetric control unit (TCU) in a Sierra, and most likely the same in a Silverado, TCU may also be under different names, this will lead me to the modem and I can find out frequencies used, these things are separate from the infotainment system, even though the TCU can display info on the screen, it doesn't need the infotainment system to run, so sticking a screwdriver through the infotainment screen isn't going to work.My understanding is that GMC is allegedly selling the data to LexisNexis. Insurance companies buy data from LexisNexis. I've filled a request to get my personal data report from LexisNexis. I'd like to see for myself which data they have and how it's presented. Not sure if the report will show who they’ve shared it with.
Toyota mentions that they need additional release from the owner to give out personal data. They mention their "affiliates" which one would presume the company providing the services as Toyota contracts that out but it's not clear, like any Privacy Notice. I guess that is one benefit of living in California, they have some of the toughest laws on privacy....lolIn glancing through the Privacy Statement by just downloading the app you give them permission to collect and use data including 3rd party services working with GM.
I understand where you come from. We have all grown used to our searches being followed, after which we receive suggestions on the same topic. One question about GM gathering information on their customers is: are they sharing driving habits with the insurance companies of those customers?I'm probably the outlier here on this but I don't care. I don't understand why other people care.
I own a laptop, smartphone, smartwatch, smart tv, I use multiple streaming services, home security, debit cards, credit cards, have a couple social media account.. all of these things "spy" on us constantly and report data out. That's not including all of the public information about the house I own, land, taxes etc.
I understand where you come from. We have all grown used to our searches being followed, after which we receive suggestions on the same topic. One question about GM gathering information on their customers is: are they sharing driving habits with the insurance companies of those customers?
Check this site out from Mozilla called Privacy Not Included. Apparently, they've already gathered all the info on every brand concerning privacy and data. They say all of them suck but some are better than others. They do go into detail about what they collect. The best part is that they provide links for many brands so you can opt out from them selling data. For example, here is GM's: https://www.gm.com/consumer-privacyThe real question is are they sharing driving data, which I would bet the big 3 do...GM just got caught first, or personal identifier driving data.
Thanks for the video, especially the GM message shown on screen that it has to be a 2015 or newer GM vehicle. GMT 900 for the privacy win! Not that I have used OnStar recently (2003 when my Olds Bravada's trial offer ended).Here's the video. Also interesting is my friends at GM-trucks.com opted OUT of the Onstar Smart Driver program only to learn they had been automatically opted IN. That's not ok.
I don't have confirmation on this, but I'm thinking there is a hard drive as well that records information. So, you go to the dealer and they can pull that information.All the data is sent from the sharkfin antenna right? Just chop that damn thing off and yank the wires.
Thanks. That's interesting that it specifically states information won't be shared with insurance companies.I called OnStar this morning and spoke with a Smart Driver rep to see if I could get any clarification on how hard braking is measured. Unsurprisingly they have no idea. I was told it probably means your to aggressive with your braking. I said I understood that but how is they app measuring too aggressive. Again they have no idea.
They did suggest reviewing the Smart Driver FAQ. While the FAQ doesn't cover how any of the parameters are measured it did have this to say about the sharing of information. Looks like they are sharing our data with Verisk as well as Alexis Nexis
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I have a "Safe Driving" app from my USAA insurance company that determines harsh braking as braking faster than 8.25mph. Their app tracks harsh braking, phone handling, hands-free calling, and hand-held calling.I did find this blog post which claims that
To Progressive, a hard brake is defined as any condition where the vehicle decelerates faster than 7 MPH per second.
You know something even stranger when poking around the internet about privacy is the story about DMVs selling our info. One report stated Florida makes $17 million dollars a year selling names and addresses from FL drivers.