Really strong truck market

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Jim Farley had some interesting comments lately:

“The reality is, though, the full-size truck market is in two different markets and they’re almost completely different,” Ford CEO Jim Farley stated during the recent Wolfe Research Auto, Auto Tech and Semiconductor Conference. “You have the Ram price zone and then you have the Ford/GMC price zone. And, as Ram suffered, GMC has done a great job as Ford has gotten some market share. We’ve had four years in a row of revenue increase. A lot of it is because of Ranger, but also to that. We’ve managed the high-end mix really well between Super Duty and F-150.”

“And we think that, people who really want the newest trucks, really want Pro Power Onboard, the newest Super Duty, the Platinums, the commercial people want the cab chassis versions. That market is very strong right now. It’s really strong. The commodity part of the market, someone who’s on a budget and is going to buy an XL or an XLT F-150, but they’re really looking at Ram and Silverado. Yes, I think there’s going to be a lot of price pressure. And there always has been. The good news is that we invested. We have a brand-new F-150 and a brand new Super Duty.”


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I completely agree about the two different markets comments. Also, interesting to read the part about how strong the market is. I thought a certain YT channel said the market was going to crash in 2025. Or was that the video they did in 2024? Maybe it was the 2023 video...
 
“You have the Ram price zone and then you have the Ford/GMC price zone."

"The commodity part of the market, someone who’s on a budget and is going to buy an XL or an XLT F-150, but they’re really looking at Ram and Silverado."


Does this mean that Ram is on a higher price zone or that the buyers are in a lower price zone?

Also, if Ram.is in the commodity part of the segment, then they really should consider bringing back a regular cab with an eight foot bed. It's what a good segment of their buyers want.
 
“You have the Ram price zone and then you have the Ford/GMC price zone."

"The commodity part of the market, someone who’s on a budget and is going to buy an XL or an XLT F-150, but they’re really looking at Ram and Silverado."


Does this mean that Ram is on a higher price zone or that the buyers are in a lower price zone?

Also, if Ram.is in the commodity part of the segment, then they really should consider bringing back a regular cab with an eight foot bed. It's what a good segment of their buyers want.

That's a tough one to decipher because historically I think of RAM as the budget option with reliability concerns. (I owned two) Now though it seems that they are the pricier option? I think he's still viewing them as the budget option and thinks the Ford XL & XLT's are overpriced when compared to the GM and RAM in similar trims.
 
Jim Farley had some interesting comments lately:

“The reality is, though, the full-size truck market is in two different markets and they’re almost completely different,” Ford CEO Jim Farley stated during the recent Wolfe Research Auto, Auto Tech and Semiconductor Conference. “You have the Ram price zone and then you have the Ford/GMC price zone. And, as Ram suffered, GMC has done a great job as Ford has gotten some market share. We’ve had four years in a row of revenue increase. A lot of it is because of Ranger, but also to that. We’ve managed the high-end mix really well between Super Duty and F-150.”

“And we think that, people who really want the newest trucks, really want Pro Power Onboard, the newest Super Duty, the Platinums, the commercial people want the cab chassis versions. That market is very strong right now. It’s really strong. The commodity part of the market, someone who’s on a budget and is going to buy an XL or an XLT F-150, but they’re really looking at Ram and Silverado. Yes, I think there’s going to be a lot of price pressure. And there always has been. The good news is that we invested. We have a brand-new F-150 and a brand new Super Duty.”


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I completely agree about the two different markets comments. Also, interesting to read the part about how strong the market is. I thought a certain YT channel said the market was going to crash in 2025. Or was that the video they did in 2024? Maybe it was the 2023 video...
I wish GM would go after the cab and chassis market, I work at a telecom and I would say 98% of the trucks that come in here are Fords with the rest Ram (bucket trucks) I have only seen one GM bucket truck and it was a mid 90s Chevrolet (must have been a backup truck) Chevrolet has the 4500, 5500 and 6500 but they are like monster trucks, Ford has a way better version with the F450, F550 and F650 (IMO) All of our in house bucket trucks are F450 to F550 with the gas v10.
 
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There was a guy running new cables for Comcast. He was towing a big spool of cable behind a Ram 3500. He said his boss was buying a Ford F-550 to replace the Ram. The guy was very annoyed.

"I don't know why he's getting a bigger truck. This thing pulls it just fine."
 
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