New 2025 full-size SUVs Compared: Tahoe, Expedition, Armada and more!

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With several new models or refreshed versions on the market, the list of new 2025 full-size SUVs compared is lengthy and surprising. These body-on-frame SUVs are amongst the most popular vehicles on the market. 2025 full-size SUVs compared Before we dig into each model, let’s lay the groundwork. First, in the past year, I’ve driven each of these models. Second, I’m talking only about body-on-frame models. Third, I’m leaving out their luxury counterparts so no Lincoln Navigator, Infiniti QX80, Jeep Grand Wagoneer or Cadillac Escalade. Fourth, I’m leaving out the Chevy Suburban and Yukon XL. They are just longer versions […] (read full article...)
 
Interesting read, I think you highlighted the most important point of the comparison and that's the fact that the Sequoia is the only real miss in the category. It's worse in pretty much everything except actual 4x4 gears and systems, but the approach and departure angles are so poor that it does not mean much. Everybody else came out with a winner.
 
I enjoy the video breakdowns from the manufacturers website if were talking pricing, options and general ideas but it's hurt by not having the vehicles on hand. Or, cutting to clips from when you did have the vehicles on hand. There's just something powerful about having 2 next to each other. Truck King has gotten really good at this, his latest series of the new Tahoe vs. the Sequoia is great. The "off-road" portion showed the Toyota shines there from a traction control standpoint but it's clearances and angles are junk. Interior room, towing and stability the Tahoe walked all over it.

I personally think the Sequoia is a miss, a big miss, but some Toyota people will still buy them. Great for a family of 4. That 3rd row though will hold kids from 5-10 depening on their height.

On another note, I keep seeing reviewers talk about how when actually driving them side by side, including the expedition here, the Sequoia seems slower and less responsive in comparison on the 6.2 or the Ecoboost. It has more paper power than both... odd. However, that's why having them on hand is so important. It really showed when towing only 5k lbs. The 6.2 had noticably more power at all points especially down low. Which is weird because all I hear from the turbo 6 crowd is how they're so much better, especially down low. (On paper it has over 100 more torque than the GM or Ford, where's it at?)

Don't get me started on the Sequoia's 9000lb tow rating... with just over 1100lbs of payload. A 7k trailer is going to put somewhere between 700-900 pounds of payload on the Toyota. That leaves you a shopping 200-400 pound for everything else inside. Weak.
 
Fightnfire said:
I enjoy the video breakdowns from the manufacturers website if were talking pricing, options and general ideas but it's hurt by not having the vehicles on hand. Or, cutting to clips from when you did have the vehicles on hand. There's just something powerful about having 2 next to each other. Truck King has gotten really good at this, his latest series of the new Tahoe vs. the Sequoia is great. The "off-road" portion showed the Toyota shines there from a traction control standpoint but it's clearances and angles are junk. Interior room, towing and stability the Tahoe walked all over it.

I personally think the Sequoia is a miss, a big miss, but some Toyota people will still buy them. Great for a family of 4. That 3rd row though will hold kids from 5-10 depening on their height.

On another note, I keep seeing reviewers talk about how when actually driving them side by side, including the expedition here, the Sequoia seems slower and less responsive in comparison on the 6.2 or the Ecoboost. It has more paper power than both... odd. However, that's why having them on hand is so important. It really showed when towing only 5k lbs. The 6.2 had noticably more power at all points especially down low. Which is weird because all I hear from the turbo 6 crowd is how they're so much better, especially down low. (On paper it has over 100 more torque than the GM or Ford, where's it at?)

Don't get me started on the Sequoia's 9000lb tow rating... with just over 1100lbs of payload. A 7k trailer is going to put somewhere between 700-900 pounds of payload on the Toyota. That leaves you a shopping 200-400 pound for everything else inside. Weak.
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I thought about doing that approach as well. I’m split on what works to be honest. I’ve done it a few different ways by now. Side by side in person, build and price tool and now on a website post. I keep trying new things to see what works the best.

Getting all the vehicles together is basically impossible unless your name is MotorTrend or Edmunds or you just get lucky.
 
What about a plan of attack laid out so when you get the first vehicle, say the new Tahoe you have 7-10 items that you take a meaningful look at for future comparisons. This is alongside your normal 5 likes/dislikes and general impressions. Then when you get the new Expedition, same thing. Sequoia, Armada etc. You can always reference back to the previous videos from the 2nd video on. Then, when you've had 2 or 3 or 4 you can create a final thoughts video hitting comparisons in interior layout, towing, driving comfort, power etc.
 
testerdahl said:
I thought about doing that approach as well. I’m split on what works to be honest. I’ve done it a few different ways by now. Side by side in person, build and price tool and now on a website post. I keep trying new things to see what works the best.

Getting all the vehicles together is basically impossible unless your name is MotorTrend or Edmunds or you just get lucky.
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You're right. Unless you have that crazy big budget, it's exceedingly difficult to do a legitimate detailed comparison. I've jumped out of my Ram and in my cousin's Ford, and I really don't feel much of a difference. They just both work and work well. I would have to drive both for a month so the minor differences could be revealed.

But like you, I can easily spit out what I like and dislike about each one quickly. And that really means more to me than "This one has noticeably 20-30 more HP". I liked to know the negatives you and others feel or identify so I can determine if they matter enough to me.
 
Fightnfire said:
What about a plan of attack laid out so when you get the first vehicle, say the new Tahoe you have 7-10 items that you take a meaningful look at for future comparisons. This is alongside your normal 5 likes/dislikes and general impressions. Then when you get the new Expedition, same thing. Sequoia, Armada etc. You can always reference back to the previous videos from the 2nd video on. Then, when you've had 2 or 3 or 4 you can create a final thoughts video hitting comparisons in interior layout, towing, driving comfort, power etc.
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That's a thought. The only issue I can foresee is I get one a year. Hopefully they don't make major changes between the times I get them. That would mess things up.

I think I could do it as well if I had a video editor who could download past footage and then re-edit things together. I could play narrator as well. All sorts of different ways to do things to be honest.
 
Fightnfire said:
I enjoy the video breakdowns from the manufacturers website if were talking pricing, options and general ideas but it's hurt by not having the vehicles on hand. Or, cutting to clips from when you did have the vehicles on hand. There's just something powerful about having 2 next to each other. Truck King has gotten really good at this, his latest series of the new Tahoe vs. the Sequoia is great. The "off-road" portion showed the Toyota shines there from a traction control standpoint but it's clearances and angles are junk. Interior room, towing and stability the Tahoe walked all over it.

I personally think the Sequoia is a miss, a big miss, but some Toyota people will still buy them. Great for a family of 4. That 3rd row though will hold kids from 5-10 depening on their height.

On another note, I keep seeing reviewers talk about how when actually driving them side by side, including the expedition here, the Sequoia seems slower and less responsive in comparison on the 6.2 or the Ecoboost. It has more paper power than both... odd. However, that's why having them on hand is so important. It really showed when towing only 5k lbs. The 6.2 had noticably more power at all points especially down low. Which is weird because all I hear from the turbo 6 crowd is how they're so much better, especially down low. (On paper it has over 100 more torque than the GM or Ford, where's it at?)

Don't get me started on the Sequoia's 9000lb tow rating... with just over 1100lbs of payload. A 7k trailer is going to put somewhere between 700-900 pounds of payload on the Toyota. That leaves you a shopping 200-400 pound for everything else inside. Weak.
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For the Sequoia feeling slow, I think I can chime in here. I've owned my Tundra for almost 2 months now and taking it plenty of places, did around 6000 miles in it so far. The engine is great, but unlike other turbo engine I've driven before, it seems like it builds boost slower, like much slower.

The 3.5 from Ford will hit you in the face with power, it all comes online at the same time where Toyota seems to be trying to make it smoother, but it just feels, and I'm not quite sure how to properly express it, slower? or less impressive? Like the power is all there and I never find myself wanting for more, but there's something in my brain telling me, it should be a little faster than that considering the numbers on paper.

There seem to be a similar consensus for the hybrid version of the Tundra and even the Tacoma's are getting the same sort of reports from users. Power is nice, but when you start measuring it via 0-60 times or other metrics, it's slower than the competition, even with much bigger power numbers.

It also doesn't help that the Tundra's is much heavier than the competition even with no hybrid. My 6.5 foot bed crew max SR5 TRD-OFFROAD non-hybrid (Holy word salad batman) comes in at 5650lbs empty and an equivalent Ford F150 XLT FX4 is coming in at 4800-4900lbs.
 
TheDo114 said:
For the Sequoia feeling slow, I think I can chime in here. I've owned my Tundra for almost 2 months now and taking it plenty of places, did around 6000 miles in it so far. The engine is great, but unlike other turbo engine I've driven before, it seems like it builds boost slower, like much slower.

The 3.5 from Ford will hit you in the face with power, it all comes online at the same time where Toyota seems to be trying to make it smoother, but it just feels, and I'm not quite sure how to properly express it, slower? or less impressive? Like the power is all there and I never find myself wanting for more, but there's something in my brain telling me, it should be a little faster than that considering the numbers on paper.

There seem to be a similar consensus for the hybrid version of the Tundra and even the Tacoma's are getting the same sort of reports from users. Power is nice, but when you start measuring it via 0-60 times or other metrics, it's slower than the competition, even with much bigger power numbers.

It also doesn't help that the Tundra's is much heavier than the competition even with no hybrid. My 6.5 foot bed crew max SR5 TRD-OFFROAD non-hybrid (Holy word salad batman) comes in at 5650lbs empty and an equivalent Ford F150 XLT FX4 is coming in at 4800-4900lbs.
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That's really good feedback and what I see being talked about on the Toyota forums I visit. It's not that it's slow but at the same time the some 1/4 mile videos Ive seen the 6.2 and the Ecoboost seem to walk it. You're right that it seems to be across the board for the Toyota turbos.
 
Fightnfire said:
That's really good feedback and what I see being talked about on the Toyota forums I visit. It's not that it's slow but at the same time the some 1/4 mile videos Ive seen the 6.2 and the Ecoboost seem to walk it. You're right that it seems to be across the board for the Toyota turbos.
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I recently did an auto cross course drive with the Tundra TRD Pro at Eagles Canyon Race Way (working on video) and all I could think was I wish I had my RHO. I just wanted more from the truck. It was good the first time I drove it, but now it’s been eclipsed.
 
testerdahl said:
I recently did an auto cross course drive with the Tundra TRD Pro at Eagles Canyon Race Way (working on video) and all I could think was I wish I had my RHO. I just wanted more from the truck. It was good the first time I drove it, but now it’s been eclipsed.
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I saw TRD John’s video about it and he ended up buying an RHO lol.

Toyota doesn’t really build a super hardcore truck like other manufacturers do. Ford and Ram got the dessert runners and GMC/Chevrolet got the rock crawl trucks and even then, those trucks handle a high speed run better than the TRD Pro.

Toyota really focused on making the powertrain smooth and it delivers, it’s awesome around town, in the bush and pulling, but it lacks the fun factors that the others provide for the amount of power it puts out.
 
TheDo114 said:
I saw TRD John’s video about it and he ended up buying an RHO lol.

Toyota doesn’t really build a super hardcore truck like other manufacturers do. Ford and Ram got the dessert runners and GMC/Chevrolet got the rock crawl trucks and even then, those trucks handle a high speed run better than the TRD Pro.

Toyota really focused on making the powertrain smooth and it delivers, it’s awesome around town, in the bush and pulling, but it lacks the fun factors that the others provide for the amount of power it puts out.
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I've been texting back and forth with TRD Jon and had a phone call over the check engine light issue. It is a hell of a gamble in my opinion. It's one thing for the commenters to say "hell yeah man, go for it." It's another to actually buy another brand of truck.
 
testerdahl said:
I've been texting back and forth with TRD Jon and had a phone call over the check engine light issue. It is a hell of a gamble in my opinion. It's one thing for the commenters to say "hell yeah man, go for it." It's another to actually buy another brand of truck.
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For sure, it’s a big gamble, that’s a lot of money on a depreciating asset, especially when you’re channel is focus on a different brand altogether.

But it still shows that the RHO was good enough for him to take the leap. I also think that John seemed tired of Toyota’s lately and wanted to change a bit.
 
TheDo114 said:
For sure, it’s a big gamble, that’s a lot of money on a depreciating asset, especially when you’re channel is focus on a different brand altogether.

But it still shows that the RHO was good enough for him to take the leap. I also think that John seemed tired of Toyota’s lately and wanted to change a bit.
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He's been wanting to venture off into a different brand for a while. He sees the limiting factor of just doing one brand. However, there are pros and cons to that approach. I've been skimming the comments on YT and Facebook. It is a mix of love/hate for the idea on buying the RHO. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

He has played with the idea of changing the channel name. Unlike me, he doesn't ever really say his channel name on camera, so it wouldn't take much to change it IMO. He has built up a loyal following for the younger crowd who likes new vehicles and mods right away. That's how I see his channel and viewers anyway.

I know Toyota PR isn't exactly thrilled with what he did. And I'm sure Ram is laughing right now. I'm just sitting back with a bag of popcorn. I'm just curious how this all plays out.

Ultimately, I think this was the move that had to happen at some point. I know when I ran Tundraheadquarters.com I had to leave that job and start my own thing at some point. Good entry level job, but way too limiting.
 
testerdahl said:
He's been wanting to venture off into a different brand for a while. He sees the limiting factor of just doing one brand. However, there are pros and cons to that approach. I've been skimming the comments on YT and Facebook. It is a mix of love/hate for the idea on buying the RHO. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

He has played with the idea of changing the channel name. Unlike me, he doesn't ever really say his channel name on camera, so it wouldn't take much to change it IMO. He has built up a loyal following for the younger crowd who likes new vehicles and mods right away. That's how I see his channel and viewers anyway.

I know Toyota PR isn't exactly thrilled with what he did. And I'm sure Ram is laughing right now. I'm just sitting back with a bag of popcorn. I'm just curious how this all plays out.

Ultimately, I think this was the move that had to happen at some point. I know when I ran Tundraheadquarters.com I had to leave that job and start my own thing at some point. Good entry level job, but way too limiting.
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I bet that Toyota isn’t super happy about it, one of your brand ambassadors is buying something else when you just finished updating all of your BoF vehicles for the first time in 15 years.

Hopefully Toyota takes it as feedback and is still willing to work with him in the futur.
 
Toyota has made a lot of interesting moves lately, some seem to be working ok but some are head scratchers.

I have never subscribed to TRDJohns site just because it was so Toyota focused and I didn't get into YouTube truck stuff until I was looking for a replacement to my Tacoma, 2020ish. I like his videos and have watched quite a bit of them. I feel like lately his channel has turned into a repetitive cycle of trading in a Tundra or Tacoma for the same truck just to build it again with sponsorship dollars which just isn't something I'm all that interested in watching.

Branching out could sting a little initially but I do think it's the right move for him in the long run. He's a talented guy and comes across really well on camera.
 
I watched his video explaining why he went with Ram and am honestly very curious to see that he likes and doesn't like about his RHO. It's going to be a great learning process.
 
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