My gripe of the night: New RAM 2500

Fightnfire

Fightnfire

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It's late, I'm drinking a little bourbon and catching up on some YouTube. I've gone through a handful of videos and then I found this gem. Heads up, the bourbon is talking. I did get caught up on your videos Tim, good stuff. I caught the shout out in the podcast.

TFL did a video comparing the new 2025 RAM tradesman to the limited longhorn.

Over $37,000 price difference...

The 2025 2500 limited longhorn diesel has, insert drumroll, 1900 lbs of payload and cost OVER $100k.

R u kidding me? $100,000 for a 3/4 ton truck that can't tow or haul more than a half ton. Ya know tongue weight, passengers etc. etc.

I know we're all sick of the sky is falling videos and everybody's going to go bankrupt videos but holy f. What in the hell is still is Stellantis thinking?

What does the $37,000 get you? Some tacky interior stitching, the Cummins diesel and a little power in the bed. Oh, and over a thousand pounds less payload.

Andre mentioned that truck is for somebody pulling a horse trailer... What kind of horse trailer are you going to pull, with all of the gear associated with that, with 1,900 lbs of payload ffs.

 
Fightnfire said:
It's late, I'm drinking a little bourbon and catching up on some YouTube. I've gone through a handful of videos and then I found this gem. Heads up, the bourbon is talking. I did get caught up on your videos Tim, good stuff. I caught the shout out in the podcast.

TFL did a video comparing the new 2025 RAM tradesman to the limited longhorn.

Over $37,000 price difference...

The 2025 2500 limited longhorn diesel has, insert drumroll, 1900 lbs of payload and cost OVER $100k.

R u kidding me? $100,000 for a 3/4 ton truck that can't tow or haul more than a half ton. Ya know tongue weight, passengers etc. etc.

I know we're all sick of the sky is falling videos and everybody's going to go bankrupt videos but holy f. What in the hell is still is Stellantis thinking?

What does the $37,000 get you? Some tacky interior stitching, the Cummins diesel and a little power in the bed. Oh, and over a thousand pounds less payload.

Andre mentioned that truck is for somebody pulling a horse trailer... What kind of horse trailer are you going to pull, with all of the gear associated with that, with 1,900 lbs of payload ffs.

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First, what kind of Bourbon. :)

Second, I would think that truck is for a retiree couple pulling a 5th wheel camper. Not a work truck at all. Or a tax write off truck for the boss.
 
Both trucks seem overpriced to me. It’s crazy to have a 3/4 ton gasser with base trim priced over $60k. I know rebates are available but that truck should be $45k out the door. The loaded Ram is also overpriced but is geared towards retirees with money to spend and looking to pull campers on weekend getaways.
 
Patriotgunt said:
Both trucks seem overpriced to me. It’s crazy to have a 3/4 ton gasser with base trim priced over $60k. I know rebates are available but that truck should be $45k out the door. The loaded Ram is also overpriced but is geared towards retirees with money to spend and looking to pull campers on weekend getaways.
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Did you happen to catch this video? Thoughts? And welcome to the forum!

Better Value at $40k? Ram Sales Director Explains 2025 Ram 2500 Tradesman Price
 
Fightnfire said:
It's late, I'm drinking a little bourbon and catching up on some YouTube. I've gone through a handful of videos and then I found this gem. Heads up, the bourbon is talking. I did get caught up on your videos Tim, good stuff. I caught the shout out in the podcast.

TFL did a video comparing the new 2025 RAM tradesman to the limited longhorn.

Over $37,000 price difference...

The 2025 2500 limited longhorn diesel has, insert drumroll, 1900 lbs of payload and cost OVER $100k.

R u kidding me? $100,000 for a 3/4 ton truck that can't tow or haul more than a half ton. Ya know tongue weight, passengers etc. etc.

I know we're all sick of the sky is falling videos and everybody's going to go bankrupt videos but holy f. What in the hell is still is Stellantis thinking?

What does the $37,000 get you? Some tacky interior stitching, the Cummins diesel and a little power in the bed. Oh, and over a thousand pounds less payload.

Andre mentioned that truck is for somebody pulling a horse trailer... What kind of horse trailer are you going to pull, with all of the gear associated with that, with 1,900 lbs of payload ffs.

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The only argument I see for a 3/4 ton truck with that little payload is that it will be able to handle that payload all day everyday vs a half-ton can handle it occasionally but not every single day. Also tax write-off.

Once again it's only a GVWR thing, if they went ahead and upped it like Ford and Gm to low 11 000lbs, the payload rating would be 2900lbs. 10 000lbs GVWR is a major milestone in a lot of states and provinces and going above it means getting a commercial driver's liocense and/or a different title class. All of the diesel F250's and 2500's around where I am are rated at around 1800-2000lbs of payload because of the 10 000lbs GVWR limit. The trucks are capable of way more, but the law imposes those limitations.
 
TheDo114 said:
The only argument I see for a 3/4 ton truck with that little payload is that it will be able to handle that payload all day everyday vs a half-ton can handle it occasionally but not every single day. Also tax write-off.

Once again it's only a GVWR thing, if they went ahead and upped it like Ford and Gm to low 11 000lbs, the payload rating would be 2900lbs. 10 000lbs GVWR is a major milestone in a lot of states and provinces and going above it means getting a commercial driver's liocense and/or a different title class. All of the diesel F250's and 2500's around where I am are rated at around 1800-2000lbs of payload because of the 10 000lbs GVWR limit. The trucks are capable of way more, but the law imposes those limitations.
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I get the GVWR rating what continues to baffle me is that they don't offer it, an increase, do they?
 
testerdahl said:
Did you happen to catch this video? Thoughts? And welcome to the forum!

Better Value at $40k? Ram Sales Director Explains 2025 Ram 2500 Tradesman Price
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I appreciate the video and Ram’s focus to maintain value at the lower trim. Some of that strategy is also due to the competition. Ram didn’t truly update the cab or body for 2025 so they need to focus on value. Most fleet customers don’t need the latest styling and instead focus on the best value with reliability.
 
Patriotgunt said:
Does the 2025 Ram still use rear coil springs for the 2500 and leafs for 3500? I’m curious if the springs limit them raising the GVWR to compete with Ford and GM.
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Coils for the 2500 and leafs for the 3500 but that's not necessarily the limiting factor. It's that they won't raise their GVWR up to the mark that GM and Ford have because in some states and provinces it can push you into commercial vehicle licenses, higher fees etc. as mentioned above. GVWR minute the weight of the truck is your payload.

The coils on the 2500 do tend to create some towing issues especially when hauling large travel trailers or fifth wheels, they're just not as stable as leaf springs. It's not as noticeable with heavy flat loads.

Truck King has a great video series on this when he moved from the 2500 RAM to his new GM he was getting a lot of swaying and bouncing in the ram.
 
I live in Florida and it took til now for me to really notice the large market for heavy duty pickups for the leisure market. Those with large travel trailers, fifth wheel trailers, and big boats want all the creature comforts they can get. Most will pull that trailer/camper twice a year and tool around in a runabout, but they are happy to spend big money for the higher trims.

If anything, I say let them make that big purchase. We can get a hell of a deal on a lightly used truck three years later.
 
Fightnfire said:
Coils for the 2500 and leafs for the 3500 but that's not necessarily the limiting factor. It's that they won't raise their GVWR up to the mark that GM and Ford have because in some states and provinces it can push you into commercial vehicle licenses, higher fees etc. as mentioned above. GVWR minute the weight of the truck is your payload.

The coils on the 2500 do tend to create some towing issues especially when hauling large travel trailers or fifth wheels, they're just not as stable as leaf springs. It's not as noticeable with heavy flat loads.

Truck King has a great video series on this when he moved from the 2500 RAM to his new GM he was getting a lot of swaying and bouncing in the ram.
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To echo @Fightnfire point, the Truck King video series on his 2500 RAM ownership experience highlights a lot of the problems that come with spring at the limit.

Here's the link to it: 2500 RAM
 
Truck King loved his old Ram 2500 except for the coil springs which is why he went to a Chevy. Video to his final Ram 2500 review- Truck King.

I was hoping for 2025 that Ram would go to leafs for both 2500 and 3500s. I’ve always loved Rams but thought that their 2500s were not competitive with Ford and GM. First is the rear suspension but they’ve also only offered their base Cummins with a 68RFE transmission which is suspect after long use or with any tunes. I’m glad to see that their Cummins and ZF package is now standard across both models.
 
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