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Saddle Tramp said:
I read some of the comments over there and feel these complainers are the ones that think that everything should be perfect, that it should never rust, last forever with no maintenance.

I was laughing so hard when they kept calling Tim a shill. It showed me they don't regularly watch the channel. I also think half of those viewers came from Scotty's channel and expect theatrical shouting and wild gestures.
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I had to chuckle at some of them as well. I also thought, "well hey at least they didn't leave because I talked too fast."
 
Saddle Tramp said:
I read some of the comments over there and feel these complainers are the ones that think that everything should be perfect, that it should never rust, last forever with no maintenance.

I was laughing so hard when they kept calling Tim a shill. It showed me they don't regularly watch the channel. I also think half of those viewers came from Scotty's channel and expect theatrical shouting and wild gestures.
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I don't think you're wrong.

annnnd...

People are pissed. Rightfully so. In my adult driving life (2000) the avg. cost of a new truck has gone from high 20's to what feels like mid 60's. All three are making half ton trucks approaching 90k. I don't know if I personally would say they're worse, but they also don't feel remarkably better.

I think the manufacturers only have themselves to blame. They got greedy and didn't back that up with longer warranties.

If things are so much better now than they use to be, prove it with a warranty. Give me a 100k mile powertrain warranty and a 75k bumper to bumper.
 
testerdahl said:
IMO - those are all possible issues. Not real issues. If they were all real EVERY truck out there would be failing and being recalled over catastrophic engine failure.

They aren't. I'll read a comment like his and then I'll find 3-4 comments from really happy owners.

I also think it is funny that he thinks I don't cover those kinds of topics. I think Jill and I lead the way in talking about reliability and we have done a dozen "known problems" articles and videos about trucks.

It seems to me this person watched one video of mine and I didn't rant and rave over all the "issues" he believes are confirmed so I'm not doing my job and I'm a shill. Unfortunate.
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It's just the times we live in. With the amount of YT content, reddit, owner forums, etc. we hear about every single little thing that occurs. And if one owner's story gets repeated, it becomes fact for every other vin in existence. Actually saw a post on reddit today asking if they should really get an RHO because of all the low reliability issues that have occurred with them so far.
 
Fightnfire said:
I don't think you're wrong.

annnnd...

People are pissed. Rightfully so. In my adult driving life (2000) the avg. cost of a new truck has gone from high 20's to what feels like mid 60's. All three are making half ton trucks approaching 90k. I don't know if I personally would say they're worse, but they also don't feel remarkably better.

I think the manufacturers only have themselves to blame. They got greedy and didn't back that up with longer warranties.

If things are so much better now than they use to be, prove it with a warranty. Give me a 100k mile powertrain warranty and a 75k bumper to bumper.
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The think is, you're getting a truck with much much more power, better fuel economy, way more comfort and tech and also much better safety and safety ain't cheap. The base trucks now are sometimes more equipped than a fully loaded 2010 truck.

But none of what's mentioned above says that they should increase the warranty. The trucks have the same expected lifespan as before. The bigger issue is the explosion of the cost and complexity of maintenance. I don't think people would be as pissed if they could buy a new transmission for 3500$ like before vs 10 000$ now or that they could replace the headlights without the need to require a reflash of the ECU. This is where the problem lies to me.

I'm also happy that they are improving the safety standards even it the cost is passed on to me. I would not want to be in the 2001 ford F150:
 
TheDo114 said:
The think is, you're getting a truck with much much more power, better fuel economy, way more comfort and tech and also much better safety and safety ain't cheap. The base trucks now are sometimes more equipped than a fully loaded 2010 truck.
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Compared to 2000 you're getting +70 HP and +63ft lbs of torque. 5.3 to 5.3. Similar towing capacity (9,500 on all of them it seems in 2000) and less payload now.. by a lot. I can't meet you on comfort but you are getting more space and a lot more tech for sure. You are also getting better MPG now even with the higher outputs. 14city 19hwy (low/high for 2000.)

Safety? Yes, much improved safety on today's vehicles and that is definitely worth something.
 
TheDo114 said:
The think is, you're getting a truck with much much more power, better fuel economy, way more comfort and tech and also much better safety and safety ain't cheap. The base trucks now are sometimes more equipped than a fully loaded 2010 truck.

But none of what's mentioned above says that they should increase the warranty. The trucks have the same expected lifespan as before. The bigger issue is the explosion of the cost and complexity of maintenance. I don't think people would be as pissed if they could buy a new transmission for 3500$ like before vs 10 000$ now or that they could replace the headlights without the need to require a reflash of the ECU. This is where the problem lies to me.

I'm also happy that they are improving the safety standards even it the cost is passed on to me. I would not want to be in the 2001 ford F150:
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Couldn't agree more. It's all perspective. My first new truck was $7500 and did not even come with a rear bumper let alone A/C, power brakes, etc. Airbags? Unheard of. My second new truck was 14 years later for $43k and it had a heated steering wheel and airbags at least. Today, the truck will stop before you even get in the wreck and will drive itself down the highway. And sure, now $7500 is an "option package" but damn, the things they can do.
 
Fightnfire said:
Just for clarification, $28,000 in 2000 is roughly equivalent to $53,000 today. If the higher optioned trucks were in that range or even 55-60 I don't think there would be as much noise as there is now.
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I think the other factor is the higher luxury trims simply didn't exist in 2000. The first King Ranch Fords are likely more similar to a very low level Lariat in today's world. And even then, it isn't even close to the same truck.
 
Fightnfire said:
Just for clarification, $28,000 in 2000 is roughly equivalent to $53,000 today. If the higher optioned trucks were in that range or even 55-60 I don't think there would be as much noise as there is now.
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It's also a problem of wages not following inflation. If I made $40 000 back in 2000 and now I make $65 000, I lost a lot of buying power as $40 000 in 2000 is the equivalent of $73 000 today.
 
TheDo114 said:
It's also a problem of wages not following inflation. If I made $40 000 back in 2000 and now I make $65 000, I lost a lot of buying power as $40 000 in 2000 is the equivalent of $73 000 today.
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I was thinking about this the other day. Yes, things have gotten more expensive. And things have gotten less expensive as well.

For example, TVs. When I worked at Best Buy we used to have a 50” Plasma TV from Pioneer that was priced at $10k. Now a similar TV at Walmart has a better picture for less than $500. Computers. They used to be really expensive and now you can buy one under a $1k that fits most needs. Cell phones have become more expensive, but they can do a lot more and some people don’t even need to buy a computer anymore.

Clothing. I remember when the first Nike Air Jordans came out at $100. That was 30 years ago or so. Shoes haven’t tripled in price like they should have by now. And t-shirts, jeans, etc… They haven’t really skyrocketed as other things have.

Gas. Sure everyone wants $1 gas, but really looking at the past 20 years, the prices have stayed largely the same. Sure there are outliers and disruptions in the market here and there. I'm just saying comparatively we pay pretty little for gas compared to the rest of the world. I'd argue our gas prices have largely avoided inflation.

Sure, there are things have gotten and have stayed more expensive. I just think there are two sides to the "everything is more expensive" argument.
 
This morning, I conducted an experiment: my truck was priced at $43.5K in 2011. They say that it is about $61K today adjusted for inflation. I then priced a 2025 truck as close to mine as possible, purely comparing MSRP, with no rebates. Mine was a Sport, which is no longer available, so I optioned out a Big Horn to be the closest match. The biggest difference is that mine has leather and a sunroof, which are not available in Big Horn. However, the Big Horn has a 12" screen and other electronics. Regardless, I added $3.5K for the leather and sunroof and did not subtract for the 12" screen upgrade. This brings the sticker price of the new one to $56K. So, I can now have nearly the same truck for $5K less, adjusted for inflation. The other model I could compare to is a Laramie, which only comes as a Crew Cab and is better equipped, but much closer to the target of $61K.
 
testerdahl said:
I was thinking about this the other day. Yes, things have gotten more expensive. And things have gotten less expensive as well.

For example, TVs. When I worked at Best Buy we used to have a 50” Plasma TV from Pioneer that was priced at $10k. Now a similar TV at Walmart has a better picture for less than $500. Computers. They used to be really expensive and now you can buy one under a $1k that fits most needs. Cell phones have become more expensive, but they can do a lot more and some people don’t even need to buy a computer anymore.

Clothing. I remember when the first Nike Air Jordans came out at $100. That was 30 years ago or so. Shoes haven’t tripled in price like they should have by now. And t-shirts, jeans, etc… They haven’t really skyrocketed as other things have.

Gas. Sure everyone wants $1 gas, but really looking at the past 20 years, the prices have stayed largely the same. Sure there are outliers and disruptions in the market here and there. I'm just saying comparatively we pay pretty little for gas compared to the rest of the world. I'd argue our gas prices have largely avoided inflation.

Sure, there are things have gotten and have stayed more expensive. I just think there are two sides to the "everything is more expensive" argument.
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I agree, but the trend overall is still going up. Major ticket items like transportation, housing and education all went up and eat way more of the budget than before.
 
I think we can all pick examples of things that have gone up drastically in price. My challenge to you is to find items that really haven’t gone up in value.

My thinking is the world is pretty damn negative these days. What’s the positive side? I’m tired of the negative.
 
NMTRUCKER said:
I remember paying like $1.50/gallon of gas during the height of the pandemic when the supply greatly outpaced the demand. That sure doesn’t jive with that graph. 🤔
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Well 2020 was when the gas prices were the cheapest nobody was going anywhere. I paid 60 cents a liter up here ($1.60/gallon), it was beautiful. I now pay $1.40 a liter ($3.73/gallon).
 
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