Livestream with the Car Guy Online

I'm about a 1/3rd of the way through this one, so far I really like it. It paints the picture about why people are so skeptical about new trucks and their perceived lack of reliability and/or quality. You two strike a good balance so far.

A couple of things that have stood out to me:
  1. He is a Toyota fan and owns two currently. Like me, he got into the 3rd gen Tundra and was thoroughly disappointed up and down with the truck. To hear you plainly say "I didn't like it" and "It sat there because we didn't want to drive it" is a really strong comment from you and one that I have wanted to hear you say. As a long time follower of your channel I think you try really hard to stay in the middle, especially when it comes to criticism. I would have guessed that the Tundra wouldn't have rated very high amongst a ranking of your long term owned trucks and I've heard you share some criticism of it but I always felt there was just more to it. Honestly, for me that was refreshing.
  2. His take on the Tundra engine recall process was also interesting and a shared some of my feelings on the topic. When the investigation papers dropped I felt like most "major" truck youtube channels took the route of "Look how hard Toyota was searching for this issue" and lauded the process. I didn't feel that way. For some of the same reasons he mentioned. Toyota knew they had a problem in early 2022... they kept selling the truck. No stop sale, no nothing. We've seen Ford and GM do stop sales to address an issue. Some major, some minor. Then Toyota sneakily changed some part numbers among the exact parts mechanics and engineers were saying were causing the problem and Toyota again never addressed it. They want everyone to think this is just the debris issue and all is good. Meanwhile engines after the new cleaning process was established kept having issues. The hybrid remains not recalled.
 
No. no. no. I get it. Good talks should go on until the subject is settled. I just have multiple balls in the air right now and don't want to give this video the half attention step. I want to really get into it so I can argue like Jill.
 
Tim, you just made a lot more work for yourself.

We're gonna need reports and graphs on not only each size market of pickup truck, but if each truck in it's segment.

We're talking age, family status, generation break, education, job type, hobbies, area that they live in (rural, suburbs,or city), type of housing they're in.

We need to better understand who's buying what so we can see the perspective of the owner of that truck.

Next we need a good interview with a dealer sales manager to confirm or debunk theories:
Can a buyer order a pickup to spec and still qualify for the incentives advertised?
Do dealers heavily influence manufacturers by what they order on the lot? (Example: Because we only see black, white, and gray trucks the manufacturers now have twenty shades of gray instead of yellow, green ,light blue...)

Lastly you have to figure out how to make this interesting enough to get the views to make it profitable. (No ventriloquist dummies or rapping please.)
 
Also, is there room for a Morgan brand of pickup truck?
A sub 400 unit company that makes low tech trucks at a $30,000 price that can be sustainable?
 
Tim, without exaggeration, that was my favorite conversation you’ve had. I ate it up. I’m one of this guys in the second category of customers that Car Guy was talking about; the kind that wants/ needs to make my next purchase last as opposed to getting into a new truck every time the warranty ends. Your discussion about all the efforts the engineers go to, their ownership of their work, the limits they’re up against, the 8-10 year product planning timeframe, the saving a nickel here to spend it there, the power plant testing example with the engine running flat out to test, the comment the AEV guy said about next level testing done by engineers…I LOVE that kind of insight. I appreciate your approach to your interactions with the manufacturers on their products, in terms of presenting problems as opportunities for improvement and being that kind of voice for us, the consumers, instead of the clickbait that we have to swim through to get to the substantive reviews.

My buying plans are pretty cooled off now with all this talk about tariffs and going back to inflation, but I could be a buying customer at any point if the forecast starts to look sunnier, so I'm glad the manufacturers and engineers watch and listen to you and I'll take you up on your prompt for us to comment, so here goes:

Toyota, please tone down that front end styling, ditch that iPad size screen or at least make it a delete option, put some effort into the interior fit, finish, NVH I keep hearing about, and come up with an easy way to get in and out of the bed. Also, any way you could make the back seat area a flat-loading floor like F-150. I like the idea of a port and direct injected engine over the long-haul, love the roll down rear window, hard push buttons for controls, and ergonomics. My wife has a 23 highlander that we love. Make a Tundra as well put together as that, and my money is yours.

Ford, I go back and forth between thinking about a 5.0 and a Powerboost. But, I'm also concerned about what I hear about the 10 speed transmission's smoothness and reliability. Also, already looking forward to a refresh of front end styling for XLT and below...that "coast to coast" is too conservative. Your dashboard, controls, and screen layout is my favorite and I like what I hear about seat comfort, quietness of the truck.

GM, your styling is my second favorite and I love the rear bumper steps. Tjhanks for improving the interior a couple years ago, for having a horizontally oriented screen, and touch buttons. I also like the hidden compartments in the rear seats. If I had to buy a truck this weekend, I'd by a Silverado LTZ, but I'd buy the 5.3 because as much fun as the 6.2 sounds like, but I'm also hearing about catastrophic engine failures and dealers not being able to keep up with repairing or replacing them. I'd also buy an AFM/DFM disabler. Lastly, you're so close to a flat floor in back...any chance you could get all the way there? Asking for a couple of dogs.

Ram, your styling is my favorite, I like what I read about your reliability over the last 5-6 years, love the flat-loading floor in back and all the storage. I'm cautious about being a customer of the Hurricane just yet, though. Same question for you as I had for Toyota. Any chance the movie screen could be a delete option for Laramie trim and above? Any chance you'd go back to a column or console shifter?

To all, please keep buttons for controls and stop burying them in screens.

thanks for the great video, Tim
 
C46 said:
Tim, without exaggeration, that was my favorite conversation you’ve had. I ate it up. I’m one of this guys in the second category of customers that Car Guy was talking about; the kind that wants/ needs to make my next purchase last as opposed to getting into a new truck every time the warranty ends. Your discussion about all the efforts the engineers go to, their ownership of their work, the limits they’re up against, the 8-10 year product planning timeframe, the saving a nickel here to spend it there, the power plant testing example with the engine running flat out to test, the comment the AEV guy said about next level testing done by engineers…I LOVE that kind of insight. I appreciate your approach to your interactions with the manufacturers on their products, in terms of presenting problems as opportunities for improvement and being that kind of voice for us, the consumers, instead of the clickbait that we have to swim through to get to the substantive reviews.

My buying plans are pretty cooled off now with all this talk about tariffs and going back to inflation, but I could be a buying customer at any point if the forecast starts to look sunnier, so I'm glad the manufacturers and engineers watch and listen to you and I'll take you up on your prompt for us to comment, so here goes:

Toyota, please tone down that front end styling, ditch that iPad size screen or at least make it a delete option, put some effort into the interior fit, finish, NVH I keep hearing about, and come up with an easy way to get in and out of the bed. Also, any way you could make the back seat area a flat-loading floor like F-150. I like the idea of a port and direct injected engine over the long-haul, love the roll down rear window, hard push buttons for controls, and ergonomics. My wife has a 23 highlander that we love. Make a Tundra as well put together as that, and my money is yours.

Ford, I go back and forth between thinking about a 5.0 and a Powerboost. But, I'm also concerned about what I hear about the 10 speed transmission's smoothness and reliability. Also, already looking forward to a refresh of front end styling for XLT and below...that "coast to coast" is too conservative. Your dashboard, controls, and screen layout is my favorite and I like what I hear about seat comfort, quietness of the truck.

GM, your styling is my second favorite and I love the rear bumper steps. Tjhanks for improving the interior a couple years ago, for having a horizontally oriented screen, and touch buttons. I also like the hidden compartments in the rear seats. If I had to buy a truck this weekend, I'd by a Silverado LTZ, but I'd buy the 5.3 because as much fun as the 6.2 sounds like, but I'm also hearing about catastrophic engine failures and dealers not being able to keep up with repairing or replacing them. I'd also buy an AFM/DFM disabler. Lastly, you're so close to a flat floor in back...any chance you could get all the way there? Asking for a couple of dogs.

Ram, your styling is my favorite, I like what I read about your reliability over the last 5-6 years, love the flat-loading floor in back and all the storage. I'm cautious about being a customer of the Hurricane just yet, though. Same question for you as I had for Toyota. Any chance the movie screen could be a delete option for Laramie trim and above? Any chance you'd go back to a column or console shifter?

To all, please keep buttons for controls and stop burying them in screens.

thanks for the great video, Tim
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There are definitely a few different ways to view the market and I’d be an idiot to not consider all the various viewpoints.
 
He split out our conversation into a smaller video. Smart idea. I've done that before especially when you get a nearly 2 hour Livestream.

I thought it was a good snippet. I also was really interested to read some "feedback" from people who had unsubscribed. I can't please everyone and I found their reasons to be rather funny IMO.

 
testerdahl said:
He split out our conversation into a smaller video. Smart idea. I've done that before especially when you get a nearly 2 hour Livestream.

I thought it was a good snippet. I also was really interested to read some "feedback" from people who had unsubscribed. I can't please everyone and I found their reasons to be rather funny IMO.

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I like the thumbnail, it looks like your about to tell a funny story!
 
testerdahl said:
He split out our conversation into a smaller video. Smart idea. I've done that before especially when you get a nearly 2 hour Livestream.

I thought it was a good snippet. I also was really interested to read some "feedback" from people who had unsubscribed. I can't please everyone and I found their reasons to be rather funny IMO.

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Interesting video, reading the comments, it really feels like people don't want to hear a nuance point of view and thinks that all auto journalist are part of this big conspiracy theory to protect engineers or brands.

You have been one of the most open critics about the 2022+ tundra and you basically pointed the flaws of the truck for 20-30 minutes straight as part of the full podcast and you concluded with you don't like the truck compare to what's out there. You also are someone that want every truck to succeed and it seems like people are interpreting that point of view like you're in cahoots with the auto manufacturers.
 
TheDo114 said:
Interesting video, reading the comments, it really feels like people don't want to hear a nuance point of view and thinks that all auto journalist are part of this big conspiracy theory to protect engineers or brands.

You have been one of the most open critics about the 2022+ tundra and you basically pointed the flaws of the truck for 20-30 minutes straight as part of the full podcast and you concluded with you don't like the truck compare to what's out there. You also are someone that want every truck to succeed and it seems like people are interpreting that point of view like you're in cahoots with the auto manufacturers.
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That's how I read it. People want to see it as negative and if I don't say all the negative stuff on camera, I'm now a shill.

This guy really got upset:

"GM. AFM, lifters, cams on the 5.3 or the 6.2.(BTW, RUINED 2 good motors with this crap) 10 speed recall 8 speed problems, 6.6 diesel electrical problems. I can keep going

Ford-Cam fazors on 3.5, oil cams, carbon build up, consumption on 5.0, Timing chains, constant cooling leaks, ignition system failures, cylinder head cracks, I can keep going… don’t get me started on the HD Diesel.

RAM- transmission, electrical system, fuel system, brakes, AFM. TIPM, Poor paint quality, Stalling Stalling while driving at speed, slipping into neutral when driving, excessive oil consumption, Do we really need to go through every brand. These are REAL problems. And for the love of god stop comparing new vehicles to ones in the 60’s. Yes there better.

Quality has gone down hill ans a whole and the pricing is out of control."

I can certainly feel the frustation he is sharing.

IMO - those are all possible issues. Not real issues. If they were all real EVERY truck out there would be failing and being recalled over catastrophic engine failure.

They aren't. I'll read a comment like his and then I'll find 3-4 comments from really happy owners.

I also think it is funny that he thinks I don't cover those kinds of topics. I think Jill and I lead the way in talking about reliability and we have done a dozen "known problems" articles and videos about trucks.

It seems to me this person watched one video of mine and I didn't rant and rave over all the "issues" he believes are confirmed so I'm not doing my job and I'm a shill. Unfortunate.
 
testerdahl said:
That's how I read it. People want to see it as negative and if I don't say all the negative stuff on camera, I'm now a shill.

This guy really got upset:

"GM. AFM, lifters, cams on the 5.3 or the 6.2.(BTW, RUINED 2 good motors with this crap) 10 speed recall 8 speed problems, 6.6 diesel electrical problems. I can keep going

Ford-Cam fazors on 3.5, oil cams, carbon build up, consumption on 5.0, Timing chains, constant cooling leaks, ignition system failures, cylinder head cracks, I can keep going… don’t get me started on the HD Diesel.

RAM- transmission, electrical system, fuel system, brakes, AFM. TIPM, Poor paint quality, Stalling Stalling while driving at speed, slipping into neutral when driving, excessive oil consumption, Do we really need to go through every brand. These are REAL problems. And for the love of god stop comparing new vehicles to ones in the 60’s. Yes there better.

Quality has gone down hill ans a whole and the pricing is out of control."

I can certainly feel the frustation he is sharing.

IMO - those are all possible issues. Not real issues. If they were all real EVERY truck out there would be failing and being recalled over catastrophic engine failure.

They aren't. I'll read a comment like his and then I'll find 3-4 comments from really happy owners.

I also think it is funny that he thinks I don't cover those kinds of topics. I think Jill and I lead the way in talking about reliability and we have done a dozen "known problems" articles and videos about trucks.

It seems to me this person watched one video of mine and I didn't rant and rave over all the "issues" he believes are confirmed so I'm not doing my job and I'm a shill. Unfortunate.
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It seems like people expect youtubers to bring every single problem known to man on every vehicle that you are reviewing in a particular video. Reality is, every trucks has it problems, yes that includes older trucks. People forget that even the legendary 2007-2021 Tundra had issues and still do to this day. Pick the features you want and drive it. The hard thing is to dissociate the cost to the expected quality. 50 grand was a top of the line truck back in the day and now it gets you into a new truck, but a base one. People's mentality have not adjusted yet. I remember my grandpa freaking out when my father bought his brand new 2002 F250 diesel lariat for 50 000$ and said that his F250 truck cost him 12 000$ back in 1990. The more things changed, the more they stay the same.
 
I read some of the comments over there and feel these complainers are the ones that think that everything should be perfect, that it should never rust, last forever with no maintenance.

I was laughing so hard when they kept calling Tim a shill. It showed me they don't regularly watch the channel. I also think half of those viewers came from Scotty's channel and expect theatrical shouting and wild gestures.
 
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