Improved Toyota Tundra Scores Help Toyota Reclaims Consumer Reports Reliability Crown, Despite Engine Failure Recalls

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The Consumer Reports Reliability crown passes to Toyota thanks to improved Tundra scores despite massive engine failure recalls affecting the 4th-generation truck. The influential nonprofit organization says recalls don’t play as large of a role as one might assume. Toyota Consumer Reports Reliability King Regaining the crown from Subaru for the first time since 2022, Toyota stands on top of the automotive world for reliability. This was driven by improvements to numerous models. Consumer Reports said in a press release its analysts saw, “improved reliability of the Camry, Tacoma, and Tundra, along with a solid initial showing for the redesigned […] (read full article...)
 
I watched the video. How in the world does Consumer Reports think recalls don't affect owners and their experience? "Yeah you had to take time off to get your truck worked on. Yeah you might have had to ask for a ride because we were out of loaners. Yeah you might have to wait without a truck for a long time because we have the parts on back order; but it doesn't personally affect you."

How many coupes got divorced because of that type of attitude?
 
Saddle Tramp said:
I watched the video. How in the world does Consumer Reports think recalls don't affect owners and their experience? "Yeah you had to take time off to get your truck worked on. Yeah you might have had to ask for a ride because we were out of loaners. Yeah you might have to wait without a truck for a long time because we have the parts on back order; but it doesn't personally affect you."

How many coupes got divorced because of that type of attitude?
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Oh, the replacement engine we just took several weeks to install may also implode. Because that's actually happening.
 
testerdahl said:
The Consumer Reports Reliability crown passes to Toyota thanks to improved Tundra scores despite massive engine failure recalls affecting the 4th-generation truck. The influential nonprofit organization says recalls don’t play as large of a role as one might assume. Toyota Consumer Reports Reliability King Regaining the crown from Subaru for the first time since 2022, Toyota stands on top of the automotive world for reliability. This was driven by improvements to numerous models. Consumer Reports said in a press release its analysts saw, “improved reliability of the Camry, Tacoma, and Tundra, along with a solid initial showing for the redesigned […] (read full article...)
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It's not like the Tundra became the "most reliable" PU sold. It's still rated below Ford and barely beats the GM twins which have similar engine issues.

I'm still laughing by just how badly the Ram has dropped. All the other full-sizes are rated 40-49 in reliability. The Ram? A big whopping 5. To put that in perspective, the Rivian, which is rated the worst brand for reliability, scored an 18.
 
Dusdaddy said:
It's not like the Tundra became the "most reliable" PU sold. It's still rated below Ford and barely beats the GM twins which have similar engine issues.

I'm still laughing by just how badly the Ram has dropped. All the other full-sizes are rated 40-49 in reliability. The Ram? A big whopping 5. To put that in perspective, the Rivian, which is rated the worst brand for reliability, scored an 18.
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For me, that's the clear bias of Consumer Reports. The first model year they immediately mark reliability way down no matter what.
 
testerdahl said:
For me, that's the clear bias of Consumer Reports. The first model year they immediately mark reliability way down no matter what.
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Without doubt, that would be one I'd like to see the actual data on. How many reported and how many had issues. I know they don't look at any older MYs, so they had to receive that much negative data just on 2025s. Granted, it does follow the theory that everyone repeats, "First MY of a new generation is the worst".
 
@testerdahl , do you have actual numbers from the Toyota and GM 6.2 recalls? Is Toyota replacing all of the engines recalled whereas GM is replacing some of the 6.2's recalled? From what I'm seeing that seems to be estimated at 3% right now or about 18,000 total units in the US.

I bring it up because lately when everybody discusses Toyota and their recall issue they lump GM in with it. I just can't help but think that's two wildly different stories. For one of them it's every engine they offer affected, and they can't seem to figure out why or at least they don't want to tell us why. For the other, it's an optional engine and only a very small percentage of those recalled actually affected.

Just looking at it from a percentage standpoint, total sales etc., seems like a hell of a lot safer choice to go with GM.
 
Fightnfire said:
@testerdahl , do you have actual numbers from the Toyota and GM 6.2 recalls? Is Toyota replacing all of the engines recalled whereas GM is replacing some of the 6.2's recalled? From what I'm seeing that seems to be estimated at 3% right now or about 18,000 total units in the US.

I bring it up because lately when everybody discusses Toyota and their recall issue they lump GM in with it. I just can't help but think that's two wildly different stories. For one of them it's every engine they offer affected, and they can't seem to figure out why or at least they don't want to tell us why. For the other, it's an optional engine and only a very small percentage of those recalled actually affected.

Just looking at it from a percentage standpoint, total sales etc., seems like a hell of a lot safer choice to go with GM.
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No actual numbers unfortunately. It is Fort Knox when recalls get announced. I also think they won't know the final tally until all the recalls have been completed.

I'm with you on estimates and how many are really affected.
 
Dusdaddy said:
Without doubt, that would be one I'd like to see the actual data on. How many reported and how many had issues. I know they don't look at any older MYs, so they had to receive that much negative data just on 2025s. Granted, it does follow the theory that everyone repeats, "First MY of a new generation is the worst".
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It's funny my Dad and others I've spoken to that work at automakers say the first year is the best. Why? By the second year, they start removing items in order to make more profit like reducing sound deadening or buying cheaper materials. They always make the case that the last model year of a truck before a new model comes out is the cheapest one because its been stripped down.

Two different ways to look at things.
 
I owned 2 new gen tundras. A Feb 22 build and an April 23 build. When the engine issues news got out, so did I. I’d love another tundra, but won’t go back for obvious reasons until there’s a definitive demarcation between the failed/failing/will soon fail engines and some new version or new engine. Preference for a V8 would bring me back, oh, and front tow hooks, a real rear bumper, window trim cut to the correct size, seat bottom surrounds that don’t break when slightly touched. That’s all I’m asking….lol. And no “stash”….
 
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