GM issues stop delivery on L87

Another reddit post with a copy of the recall


Long and short is that dealers must perform an inspection of all 6.2L vehicles, new and old, in thier inventory. Any vehicles tgat fail the inspection cannot be sold. Vehicles that pass inspection can be sold after the oil is replaced with a higher viscosity oil.
 
GM-Trucks has a good article I was reading this morning. A manufacturing issue on the connecting rod. The slightly heavier oil will help. Sounds like the parts were just built out of spec for a build of time.

Frankly, I think the bigger issue is going to be the use of heavier oil. This just opens up pandora's box for people to question oil recommendations, raises questions on the 5.3L V8 and I foresee myself getting multiple emails over this.
 
testerdahl said:
Frankly, I think the bigger issue is going to be the use of heavier oil. This just opens up pandora's box for people to question oil recommendations, raises questions on the 5.3L V8 and I foresee myself getting multiple emails over this.
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Oh yeah, that's gonna bring into question all the oil choices
 
I've been reading over some comments on other YouTube videos for this recall. The hate is out there for all new trucks and new engines, that's for sure. It certainly seems like there is an undercurrent of everything is crap these days that is reinforced when recalls like this happen. I even got called out in the comments on one video since I just look at the broader picture. I mean the 6.2L V8 is one of several engines GM builds and it isn't the volume seller. But, since it has a problem, it means all GM engines are junk and GM = General Mess.

I wonder what it is going to take to turn the negative viewpoint around. Will people get tired of looking at the downside all the time?

I'm actually working a least reliable full-size truck story and video at the moment. It seems like all people want to hear is new trucks are junk and they want to justify keeping their old truck. Pretty discouraging to be honest. I tend to be a positive guy and it is hard to look at everything in a negative view point.
 
The negative energy out there is definitely palpable and as always it's more vocal. I don't actually think this is anything new I was taught in business school years ago that for every negative experience a customer has they will tell 17 people. Every positive experience a customer has they may tell one or two. That's just basic business principles.

I learned that 25 years ago so I don't see why anybody would think this is new especially with social media making it so much easier for customers to get their voices out. I would be willing to bet in classes today that variance in negative versus positive advertisement is much bigger now.

I think it's more vocal because there's truth to it. I feel like we've had this discussion dozens of times on this website but the price of new trucks is ridiculous, and I don't really want to hear inflation arguments as another thing I learned in school ...inflation doesn't work for set items like a vehicle it's a really poor way to judge value of an item like that. Trucks are hitting record sales and manufacturers are having record recalls and issues, that's the bottom line.

Stories like Vic and his tundra exist but it's also the perfect scenario to get the most amount of life out of these vehicles. Not very many people are driving their truck for hours on end on the highway slightly above idle speeds. Keep up on your maintenance and get a little lucky. For every Vic there's dozens if not hundreds of legitimate massive failures before 100,000 miles.
 
testerdahl said:
I've been reading over some comments on other YouTube videos for this recall. The hate is out there for all new trucks and new engines, that's for sure. It certainly seems like there is an undercurrent of everything is crap these days that is reinforced when recalls like this happen. I even got called out in the comments on one video since I just look at the broader picture. I mean the 6.2L V8 is one of several engines GM builds and it isn't the volume seller. But, since it has a problem, it means all GM engines are junk and GM = General Mess.

I wonder what it is going to take to turn the negative viewpoint around. Will people get tired of looking at the downside all the time?

I'm actually working a least reliable full-size truck story and video at the moment. It seems like all people want to hear is new trucks are junk and they want to justify keeping their old truck. Pretty discouraging to be honest. I tend to be a positive guy and it is hard to look at everything in a negative view point.
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I think the problem is the massive increase in truck prices without the corresponding massive increase in quality. If i spend a huge amount of money on a new truck there should be no doubt about its reliability.
 
I say it's a combination of high prices and complexity that are making people bitter. One of the big talking points on the Slate is how simple the interior is. As is the rumor of bringing back buttons and not having everything going through the infotainment screen. Throw in oil life sensors replacing dipsticks and you have a real buildup of animosity against new things.

That being said, I do think new tech can be damn good in the right vehicle. Take the Lincoln Nautilus that Jill reviewed. Twenty-Five minutes of tech reviews in that and for that vehicle it works! It is their high end, halo vehicle and tech fits it. Now for the average truck buyer, there should be options across the board for anything mid-level and lower. Anything higher should get all the fancy tech, but for mid level, think XLT, you should be able to get a small screen for the mandatory backup camera and maybe CarPlay and such; analog gages instead of the dash screen; and dipsticks.

As for the dedicated safety equipment, automatic braking, eye monitoring, and all that, have each one of those features have it's own fuse. It would be similar to the Plymouth Prowler bumpers. They were there because of safety regulations but they had exposed nuts and bolts that made it really easy to take them off. I wouldn't do it or recommend it, but it would be possible without making the manufacturer liable.

Personally, I would LOVE a new pickup but they aren't shipping the one I want over here. Ford Ranger Heavy Duty.
 
My dad's garage last year was a 2020 Ford Explorer Platinum and a 2021 Ford F150 XLT.

He got rid of his truck last fall and they're working on getting rid of the Explorer. He told me the other day that both of them were up to 50 recalls combined.

I didn't believe him so I had to look it up. The Explorer had over 25 recalls issued and his F-150 was around 22, more for some.
 
Fightnfire said:
My dad's garage last year was a 2020 Ford Explorer Platinum and a 2021 Ford F150 XLT.

He got rid of his truck last fall and they're working on getting rid of the Explorer. He told me the other day that both of them were up to 50 recalls combined.

I didn't believe him so I had to look it up. The Explorer had over 25 recalls issued and his F-150 was around 22, more for some.
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Was it the hassle of the recalls or the perceived concerns about reliability with those recalls?
 
It just feels a bit defeating on my end. I get a new truck to review and I know people are going to immediately be turned off. There’s some who aren’t though. It is such a fine line. Do I even bother talking about the tech? I better IMO to do my job. It’s all me getting into the weeds and confusing myself. I should just slam a shot of whiskey and let ‘er rip I guess. Hell be damned.
 
testerdahl said:
Was it the hassle of the recalls or the perceived concerns about reliability with those recalls?
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Both for sure. The hassle is real and shouldn't be ignored. Tons of trips to the dealership and they always needed the vehicle for longer than one would think. Schedule in advance, drop it off... She works out of the state for 5 months out of the year, Alaska, so he's regularly having to do these trips solo. Loaners are never what you want if you even get one.

Then yeah, I don't think it's perceived reliability. It's straight up garbage reliability.

How many times would you have to take your RHO into the dealership for a recall where they kept it for a day or more before you started to feel like it was becoming a major hassle and question the reliability?

You get a new truck every year, more often keeping them for less than a year, so the long-term ownership and frustration gets sent down the road and replaced with the excitement of a new truck. Imagine having had to keep that tundra? You're clearly didn't like it very much and then all of the engine issues started to pop up and along with it the recalls.

But if you had to keep any of these trucks for 5 or 7 years those trips to the dealership start to a really weigh on a person.

A lot of people have a lot of pride for the truck they dished out a ridiculous amount of money for. If you don't feel like you have a good one it really starts to chip away.
 
testerdahl said:
It just feels a bit defeating on my end. I get a new truck to review and I know people are going to immediately be turned off. There’s some who aren’t though. It is such a fine line. Do I even bother talking about the tech? I better IMO to do my job. It’s all me getting into the weeds and confusing myself. I should just slam a shot of whiskey and let ‘er rip I guess. Hell be damned.
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This is purely my opinion but you have to review the truck and all aspects of it. Deep dives, really talking about what you like what you don't like and how it compares to the competition. Exterior styling, capability, interior, tech, comfort, mpg. I find myself wishing your review videos lately we're significantly longer and went into much more depth.
 
testerdahl said:
It just feels a bit defeating on my end. I get a new truck to review and I know people are going to immediately be turned off. There’s some who aren’t though. It is such a fine line. Do I even bother talking about the tech? I better IMO to do my job. It’s all me getting into the weeds and confusing myself. I should just slam a shot of whiskey and let ‘er rip I guess. Hell be damned.
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You have to talk about the tech. That's your job. You present the information. You don't have to sell us on it. It's up to the viewer to decide if they like it or not. I may not like some stuff on the new trucks, but I sure as hell need to know about it so I can help out friends and family make decisions on what they want or if their choice of vehicle is good or bad. (Case in point: Titan Cummins. 😬 ) The more I know, the better I can help. YOU give me that information to do so and I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. I myself am optimistic on the future of pickups and vehicles in general. I have a feeling that the fad of some features is going to go away while their abilities will get better.

I will give a better analysis of this tomorrow. For now, Don't lose faith!
 
testerdahl said:
It just feels a bit defeating on my end. I get a new truck to review and I know people are going to immediately be turned off. There’s some who aren’t though. It is such a fine line. Do I even bother talking about the tech? I better IMO to do my job. It’s all me getting into the weeds and confusing myself. I should just slam a shot of whiskey and let ‘er rip I guess. Hell be damned.
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Ahhh, there is way more actual positivity than negativity out there so go for it! What's the alternative? Throwing in the towel and start making doom and gloom videos?
 
Fightnfire said:
My dad's garage last year was a 2020 Ford Explorer Platinum and a 2021 Ford F150 XLT.

He got rid of his truck last fall and they're working on getting rid of the Explorer. He told me the other day that both of them were up to 50 recalls combined.

I didn't believe him so I had to look it up. The Explorer had over 25 recalls issued and his F-150 was around 22, more for some.
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Same reason I got rid of my Ranger. Spent more than a month at the shop. For me it was major items, but even when it's for small ticket items, it's annoying having to go to the dealer all the time and lose your truck for a couple of days or weeks at a time.
 
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