Toyota Tacoma Recall: 106k for brake line failure

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A new safety recall for 106k 2024-2025 Toyota Tacoma 4×4 trucks equipped with 16-inch brakes and 17-inch Toyota wheels could cause brake failure. Toyota Tacoma Recall Toyota said in a statement, “the rear brake hoses in the subject vehicles can be damaged over time if there is enough build-up of mud and dirt inside the rear wheels from operating under certain off-road conditions. This can result in a brake fluid leak, increasing the risk of crash. For all involved vehicles, Toyota dealers will replace both rear brake hoses with improved ones at no charge to customers.” We reached out to Toyota for more information and […] (read full article...)
 
testerdahl said:
A new safety recall for 106k 2024-2025 Toyota Tacoma 4×4 trucks equipped with 16-inch brakes and 17-inch Toyota wheels could cause brake failure. Toyota Tacoma Recall Toyota said in a statement, “the rear brake hoses in the subject vehicles can be damaged over time if there is enough build-up of mud and dirt inside the rear wheels from operating under certain off-road conditions. This can result in a brake fluid leak, increasing the risk of crash. For all involved vehicles, Toyota dealers will replace both rear brake hoses with improved ones at no charge to customers.” We reached out to Toyota for more information and […] (read full article...)
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lol.....rear disc brakes are just too advanced for them?
 
This story has created another story idea especially after responding to comments on YouTube, TikTok and Facebook. People seem to think Toyota’s quality has gone downhill due to recalls. I’m doing some research but so far, I’m finding lots of recalls going back 30 years ago.

I’ve maintained that the difference is today’s world of mass media. And I still think that’s true.

I also think a lot of people buy used vehicles. Very often used vehicles don’t have recalls. Why? A lot of recalls these days are for things like door jamb stickers or the brake line issue on this recall. Once it is fixed, you never hear about it again. So if you buy a used truck, those recalls have been done and you don’t hear about them. So it lends itself to one commentor saying, “I’ve been driving Toyota for years and never had a recall.”
 
"It's all feelings if there's no maths involved."

Making some guesses and assumptions:

Toyota is building many more cars now than in 1995, not just total Qty but models.
Is there more pressure on Manufacturers now than in 1995 to issue recalls? Does the NHTSA have a longer arm with a bigger hammer?
Cars are very different now than in 1995, way more electronics, features and standard equipment.
What % of a toyota vehicle in 1995 was a 3rd party supplied part vs in 2025?
What does the trend look like for Toyota's manufactured in Japan vs. USA or Mexico?

My dad owned a 1987 or 88 Toyota pick up reg cab 4x4, 4cyl manual. That's about as simple a vehicle as you can find and he put well over 250k miles on it before trading it in. What is the part list on that truck vs a 2025 Tacoma, 4x4 4 cyl manual?

As a huge fan and a previous owner of two Toyota's, a 2009 Tacoma and a 2008 Prius, I "feel" like Toyota's reliability has suffered in recent years. I don't think worse of them than really any other major brand but there was a time in my life that I placed them on the very top of the pedestal for quality and reliability. The items I listed above would probably math out to showing less recalls per vehicle manufactured but I don't think that tells the story...at all. There's also something to be said for the type of vehicle they were making then vs. now. Toyota has always been behind the times in features, electronics etc. When they tried to catch up, it "feels" like more issues started to appear.

When I sat in a new 2022 Tundra the quality difference vs a Ford F150, GM 1500 or RAM 1500 ... it just didn't feel on par which was a very odd feeling. Cheap plastics, inside and out, hollow interiors, terrible gap controls etc. but lots of tech, well not more than anyone else, just on par which Toyota never had been.
 
I just don't see the "massive drop in quality" that others point to. It seems so strange to state that long term reliability dropped with these new designs when they haven't been out long enough to really determine that. And look at the 2016 from the last gen Tacoma. Those were rife with issues that improved with time as the design got tweaked. And now the 2018s and up have a great reputation. Will the 2024s not be the same? How can there be evidence contrary to that after just one year?

I still see this as a 1st year design issue that, like Tim stated, no engineer could have properly tested for. I liken it to the roof issue from GM that was getting dented by a simple carwash, which still has not been fixed. Or the new Ranger that cannot handle 88lbs without a $400 reinforcement. That issue was fixed with a newly designed bed but no offer to help fix the ones without it.
 
Dusdaddy said:
I just don't see the "massive drop in quality" that others point to. It seems so strange to state that long term reliability dropped with these new designs when they haven't been out long enough to really determine that. And look at the 2016 from the last gen Tacoma. Those were rife with issues that improved with time as the design got tweaked. And now the 2018s and up have a great reputation. Will the 2024s not be the same? How can there be evidence contrary to that after just one year?

I still see this as a 1st year design issue that, like Tim stated, no engineer could have properly tested for. I liken it to the roof issue from GM that was getting dented by a simple carwash, which still has not been fixed. Or the new Ranger that cannot handle 88lbs without a $400 reinforcement. That issue was fixed with a newly designed bed but no offer to help fix the ones without it.
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I agree it's too early with the Tacoma... though they never did work out the engine/transmissions issues that plagued the 3rd gen. I don't think it's too early for the Tundra. They're entering their 4th year of production.
 
Fightnfire said:
"It's all feelings if there's no maths involved."

Making some guesses and assumptions:

Toyota is building many more cars now than in 1995, not just total Qty but models.
Is there more pressure on Manufacturers now than in 1995 to issue recalls? Does the NHTSA have a longer arm with a bigger hammer?
Cars are very different now than in 1995, way more electronics, features and standard equipment.
What % of a toyota vehicle in 1995 was a 3rd party supplied part vs in 2025?
What does the trend look like for Toyota's manufactured in Japan vs. USA or Mexico?

My dad owned a 1987 or 88 Toyota pick up reg cab 4x4, 4cyl manual. That's about as simple a vehicle as you can find and he put well over 250k miles on it before trading it in. What is the part list on that truck vs a 2025 Tacoma, 4x4 4 cyl manual?

As a huge fan and a previous owner of two Toyota's, a 2009 Tacoma and a 2008 Prius, I "feel" like Toyota's reliability has suffered in recent years. I don't think worse of them than really any other major brand but there was a time in my life that I placed them on the very top of the pedestal for quality and reliability. The items I listed above would probably math out to showing less recalls per vehicle manufactured but I don't think that tells the story...at all. There's also something to be said for the type of vehicle they were making then vs. now. Toyota has always been behind the times in features, electronics etc. When they tried to catch up, it "feels" like more issues started to appear.

When I sat in a new 2022 Tundra the quality difference vs a Ford F150, GM 1500 or RAM 1500 ... it just didn't feel on par which was a very odd feeling. Cheap plastics, inside and out, hollow interiors, terrible gap controls etc. but lots of tech, well not more than anyone else, just on par which Toyota never had been.
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You raise some really good questions and none of those I addressed in a firey video I shot this morning. I'll probably just can my video. I looked at recalls over the years and Toyota has had them. They have also had some really big ones like the unintended acceleration issue, frame rust and now the engine recall.

Ultimately, I think my video was just too much explaining why things happen. People don't want that. They WANT to blame that &#*@$()* engineer and have them taken out and shot. They also want to play amateur engineer and fix the "simple" issue. They want Toyota to fail. The truck market to crash. Automakers to go bankrupt.

My mental health lately has been poop and I'm definitely needing a break from all the negativity right now. I'm thinking I am going to take a break and not film anything today since I would just be adding to the constant noise I'm hearing.
 
testerdahl said:
You raise some really good questions and none of those I addressed in a firey video I shot this morning. I'll probably just can my video. I looked at recalls over the years and Toyota has had them. They have also had some really big ones like the unintended acceleration issue, frame rust and now the engine recall.

Ultimately, I think my video was just too much explaining why things happen. People don't want that. They WANT to blame that &#*@$()* engineer and have them taken out and shot. They also want to play amateur engineer and fix the "simple" issue. They want Toyota to fail. The truck market to crash. Automakers to go bankrupt.

My mental health lately has been poop and I'm definitely needing a break from all the negativity right now. I'm thinking I am going to take a break and not film anything today since I would just be adding to the constant noise I'm hearing.
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That's not what I want. (Toyota to fail, shoot the engineer, yadda yadda) You're falling into the game they want you to play....just from the opposite side. I believe there is truth in the middle. This topic is ALOT like politics today of left vs. right. The MAGA people and the anyone but Trump people are both to blame and neither will admit it. They're allowing themselves to be played like a fiddle.

I think there's a video here that doesn't look to attack or defend. Just a conversation about the topic.

The problem with these types of videos are the narratives. Look at the frame rust issue or the unintended acceleration issue Toyota had. Those by themselves are difficult issues to tackle because theres so much back story and history. We've debated in the forums once and clearly everyone has differeng opinions. One side of the rust issue "Toyota did the right thing and spent millions replacing frames for owners. Look at Toyota step up and own their mistake" The other side of that same issue "Toyota only stepped up after being forced to by multiple lawsuits and screwed a lot of people over in the process"

Both are correct. Good luck swaying someone from one side to the other. Unfotunately in today's world people would rather stay planted where they are and try to discredit new information as it comes. That's sad. Let them be fools.
 
Fightnfire said:
That's not what I want. (Toyota to fail, shoot the engineer, yadda yadda) You're falling into the game they want you to play....just from the opposite side. I believe there is truth in the middle. This topic is ALOT like politics today of left vs. right. The MAGA people and the anyone but Trump people are both to blame and neither will admit it. They're allowing themselves to be played like a fiddle.

I think there's a video here that doesn't look to attack or defend. Just a conversation about the topic.

The problem with these types of videos are the narratives. Look at the frame rust issue or the unintended acceleration issue Toyota had. Those by themselves are difficult issues to tackle because theres so much back story and history. We've debated in the forums once and clearly everyone has differeng opinions. One side of the rust issue "Toyota did the right thing and spent millions replacing frames for owners. Look at Toyota step up and own their mistake" The other side of that same issue "Toyota only stepped up after being forced to by multiple lawsuits and screwed a lot of people over in the process"

Both are correct. Good luck swaying someone from one side to the other. Unfotunately in today's world people would rather stay planted where they are and try to discredit new information as it comes. That's sad. Let them be fools.
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I'm going to play golf for a while (walking 9) then physical therapy. When that is done, I'm going to rewatch my video tonight. It could just be my memory of it right now that is causing me concerns about it. It could be really good and I just don't know it. Definitely going to take my time and get some fresh air then regroup.

Ultimately, I think it is a good topic and people need to be discussing it. I put it inside a truck news recap so I could send it out as a podcast as well.
 
Fightnfire said:
"It's all feelings if there's no maths involved."

Making some guesses and assumptions:

Toyota is building many more cars now than in 1995, not just total Qty but models.
Is there more pressure on Manufacturers now than in 1995 to issue recalls? Does the NHTSA have a longer arm with a bigger hammer?
Cars are very different now than in 1995, way more electronics, features and standard equipment.
What % of a toyota vehicle in 1995 was a 3rd party supplied part vs in 2025?
What does the trend look like for Toyota's manufactured in Japan vs. USA or Mexico?

My dad owned a 1987 or 88 Toyota pick up reg cab 4x4, 4cyl manual. That's about as simple a vehicle as you can find and he put well over 250k miles on it before trading it in. What is the part list on that truck vs a 2025 Tacoma, 4x4 4 cyl manual?

As a huge fan and a previous owner of two Toyota's, a 2009 Tacoma and a 2008 Prius, I "feel" like Toyota's reliability has suffered in recent years. I don't think worse of them than really any other major brand but there was a time in my life that I placed them on the very top of the pedestal for quality and reliability. The items I listed above would probably math out to showing less recalls per vehicle manufactured but I don't think that tells the story...at all. There's also something to be said for the type of vehicle they were making then vs. now. Toyota has always been behind the times in features, electronics etc. When they tried to catch up, it "feels" like more issues started to appear.

When I sat in a new 2022 Tundra the quality difference vs a Ford F150, GM 1500 or RAM 1500 ... it just didn't feel on par which was a very odd feeling. Cheap plastics, inside and out, hollow interiors, terrible gap controls etc. but lots of tech, well not more than anyone else, just on par which Toyota never had been.
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I agree with you on the 2022+ Tundra's. It was the first time that I sat in a brand new Toyota and things were rattling. I like the layout of things, and the comfort, but I was disappointed with the build quality of the interior. The big three are hard to beat when it comes to features and tech, but everyone has their issues, it's just a matter of which one you want to deal with.
 
TheDo114 said:
I agree with you on the 2022+ Tundra's. It was the first time that I sat in a brand new Toyota and things were rattling. I like the layout of things, and the comfort, but I was disappointed with the build quality of the interior. The big three are hard to beat when it comes to features and tech, but everyone has their issues, it's just a matter of which one you want to deal with.
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It was really disappointing. I also feel like that in the new Tacoma. Lots of rattles, odd drive train noises, hood deflections while driving etc. TRD John gets into these a little but doesn't really say much about them other than they're there.
 
So I decided to publish it after watching it again. I also decided to focus it more on recalls in the thumbnail. Yes, I agree I don't love the new Tundra interiors, but I also saw a lot of plastic in the old Tundra interiors. I'm not sure there's a lot there unless you compare them side by side. I think the bigger issue is the price jump with no big improvements to reduce the cheap plastic feel. I still remember asking the Toyota team, for example, if the plastic tray was prototype or production. I'm still shocked it is production.

 
testerdahl said:
So I decided to publish it after watching it again. I also decided to focus it more on recalls in the thumbnail. Yes, I agree I don't love the new Tundra interiors, but I also saw a lot of plastic in the old Tundra interiors. I'm not sure there's a lot there unless you compare them side by side. I think the bigger issue is the price jump with no big improvements to reduce the cheap plastic feel. I still remember asking the Toyota team, for example, if the plastic tray was prototype or production. I'm still shocked it is production.

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I don't mind the amount of plastic in it, I even think of it as a plus since it's easier to clean. It's the amount of rattle and play in each part. The video TRD John did when he purchased a gen 2.5 trd pro and compared the interior with a 3rd gen highlighted the difference in build quality between the two. That's what so disappointing.

Fightnfire said:
It was really disappointing. I also feel like that in the new Tacoma. Lots of rattles, odd drive train noises, hood deflections while driving etc. TRD John gets into these a little but doesn't really say much about them other than they're there.
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The hood deflection is probably the craziest. Who decided that it was acceptable to have your hood shake like this, especially since it appears to be an issue on a lot of different trim and not just isolated to a couple of trucks.
 
I don’t think there is any argument that the 3rd gen Tundra has a lot of issues. I’m not sold on them being a “build quality” issue though. I think a lot of it falls on the interior designers and the engineers who designed the parts the designers called for.

Frankly, I still think it is unacceptable the seat trim pieces keep cracking and the weather stripping doesn’t line up on the rear windows. Those issues, for me, aren’t a build quality rather it is how the trim piece was designed and executed. The weather stripping not meeting is by design. Damn. I should have said that in the video.

After the Tacoma launch event, TRD Jon and I were talking about how the Tacoma literally solved all the issues we had with the Tundra. That gets me excited to see what a refresh Tundra will be like.

I also do think Toyota uses more plastic than the other competitors. There interiors have always ranked below the competiton and they are just now bringing them up to being competitive. I agree with @Fightnfire that stepping up their game is going to come with growing pains. The funny thing is they really don’t have to since they are the world’s largest automaker.
 
NMTRUCKER said:
Come on now, Toyota the largest vehicle manufacturer in the world having growing pains? No way, that’s way too easy of an out. You gotta know that Toyota has a cadre of seasoned designers and engineers and quality control staff. Considering the sophistication of 3D modeling in conjunction with the advanced manufacturing techniques some of Toyota’s issues should not happen.
So what would be your response if you went to a dealership and said “my seat trim is cracked and my window trim is protruding out of its channel” and they responded “oh Toyota is just undergoing some growing pains. Really for a $60K plus truck. And what about the engine debris fiasco? Is that another example of growing pain?
Toyota staff signs off on every part manufactured by a subcontractor so ultimately Toyota is responsible. Obviously I don’t buy the growing pain argument.
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100% Hard Agree
 
To add, we've disagreed about what is build quality or design failure in the past. I didn't understand it then and I don't understand it now. If it's on the truck off production line it's 100% on Toyota.
 
testerdahl said:
I don’t think there is any argument that the 3rd gen Tundra has a lot of issues. I’m not sold on them being a “build quality” issue though. I think a lot of it falls on the interior designers and the engineers who designed the parts the designers called for.

Frankly, I still think it is unacceptable the seat trim pieces keep cracking and the weather stripping doesn’t line up on the rear windows. Those issues, for me, aren’t a build quality rather it is how the trim piece was designed and executed. The weather stripping not meeting is by design. Damn. I should have said that in the video.

After the Tacoma launch event, TRD Jon and I were talking about how the Tacoma literally solved all the issues we had with the Tundra. That gets me excited to see what a refresh Tundra will be like.

I also do think Toyota uses more plastic than the other competitors. There interiors have always ranked below the competiton and they are just now bringing them up to being competitive. I agree with @Fightnfire that stepping up their game is going to come with growing pains. The funny thing is they really don’t have to since they are the world’s largest automaker.
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Are you still hearing Tundra refresh will be coming next year?
 
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