what would you say now?

C46

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Went to the Seattle Auto Show about a week ago and poked around this years Ram 1500 (this year's, not the new I6), Silverado (High Country), F-150 (Platinum, I believe) and Tundras (SRS and TRD Pro). Maybe it was because of the dim lighting, but the Silverado didn't grab me like i thought it would. In the end, I wound up bouncing back and forth between the F-150 and Tundras, for probably about half an hour. I'd get in one, focused on just 2-3 things, then go sit in the other, focused on the same 2-3 things. Then come up with 2-3 more things to focus on. With the F-150, I felt like it was the more established, "conservative" choice and I noted the utility things such as big flat loading flood in back, more storage nooks and crannies here and there, better integration of screen into dash, bed access with barn door tailgate. I also noticed the field of view out the F-150 was bigger in terms of height and sightlines over the hood. I also liked that the F-150 had auto 4WD. With the Tundra, I really like the full rear window up-and-down, the flat door sill armrest, the outside mirrors, and back seats (I'm shopping for a truck that would be most comfortable for one large and one medium sized dog to ride comfortably). The front seats between the two felt comfortable and, even though they're different, I like the ergonomics of how things are laid out in both. I did not care the plastic front grill on the Tundra. Between the two ,the Tundra gave me more of a visceral attraction, mostly due to the interior styling just feeling more modern and the F-150 being very nice, but more conventional. The Tundra felt "racier".

Anyways, went home very conflicted about which one I'd buy. I re-watched Tim's video comparing the Tundra Limited to his F-150 Powerboost. I noted in that now two-year old video, Tim said he thought the Tundra won on power delivery, ride quality, engineering/build quality, and lack of rust. He said the F-150 won on features, infotainment, storage and utility. But, I was particularly intrigued to hear him say the Tundra seemed "tighter" than the F-150,. which has a lot of wind noise and rattles. Those things jumped out at me because it seems like in the last two years, I've heard and rad a lot of comments about how rattly, noisy and plasticky the Tundra is, on the one hand, and all these build quality issues lately on the F-150. So, that got me wondering, what would Tim (or anyone) say now about those two truck in the two years since that video?

To complicate things further, three other key things happened this week. First, I got a ride from a co-worker who owns a Silverado LTZ. Man, did that thing feel solid and smoothe. Silverado is one of my favorite looking trucks, too, but I also worry about cylinder de-activation and direct-injection only. The second thing that happened was we went to a tailgate at my daughters university and it occurred to me how cool it would be to plug stuff into the Powerboost's power-on-board. I also wondered if the Tundra's 400w outlete would be good enough for tailgating. The third thing that happened to me is when I was ruminating about all this to my wife, she said, "y'know, anytime you want to go get yourself a pickup truck, I'm all for it...." So, now the juices are flowing!

sorry for the long post, but I've been rewatching a lot of Tim's videos and wondering what the field would say about the latest model year F-150s, Tundras, and Silverados.
 
Well, I think you will be happy with any of those pickups. Make sure to test drive them all!! Certain realities only appears during a test drive. If after the test drives, you're still undecided, pick the one that talks to you the most. The one that makes you compare the other two against it. Good luck!

I'm kind of stuck in a similar situation right now and I think I will be going for a Tundra. I was considering a 3/4 ton pickup, but I was able to drive one for almost a month and it's not worth the gas and discomfort. 1000$ a month in gas for 2000 km (1250 mi) gets old really fast. I will install sumo springs to deal when I load the truck up to above payload.
 
Ok, I have to ask... have you looked at the GMC along with the Silverado? If you like the idea of Chevy but it just isn't pulling you in you may want to take a look at the GMCs. A little more refined interior and better options.

If it was me, I use to say "I don't think you can really go wrong with any of the new trucks" and I still mostly feel that way from a durability, powertrain standpoint, but in truth if it's my money... I just couldn't go near a new F-150 right now. Too many recalls and other issues at Ford. I feel like the Tundra is at a good place for 2025 if it's the truck for you.
 
Ok, I have to ask... have you looked at the GMC along with the Silverado? If you like the idea of Chevy but it just isn't pulling you in you may want to take a look at the GMCs. A little more refined interior and better options.

If it was me, I use to say "I don't think you can really go wrong with any of the new trucks" and I still mostly feel that way from a durability, powertrain standpoint, but in truth if it's my money... I just couldn't go near a new F-150 right now. Too many recalls and other issues at Ford. I feel like the Tundra is at a good place for 2025 if it's the truck for you.
Good point about GMC being a little more refined and also the exterior is killer. Best looking truck IMO. Ford is a weird spot right now. I think they have the more interesting package, but the recalls and QC issues are brutal and not getting any better.
 
I actually surprised myself because I went to the Auto Show with strong biases towards either the Sierra / Silverado and the Tundra. I have driven Fords for 28 years at work and, nothing against Ford, I'm just looking for a change of scenery. The only Sierra they had at the auto show was an AT4X and it might've even been a 2500, neither of which I'm interested in. The Silverado was a High County, which I thought would be in the ballpark of GMC's upscale interior. But, this Silverado had the that blackout package, which, in combination the poor lighting, the interior didn't really seem like a $65K++ interior. After riding in my friends LTZ in the daylight a few days later, I really liked that interior, the dash layout, digital instruments, quietness and stability of the ride. I really like GM's corner bed steps and multi-pro tailgate, too. So, yeah, GM is still very much int he running for me. I loved the flat loading floor of that F-150 for my dogs. Right now, we take them around in my wife's SUV, but I want something so that if I ever get rear ended hard, the dogs are protected by 5 or 6 feet of frame and bed rather than exposed in the back cargo area of an SUV. I would guess a flat floor would be best for them. With them in mind, I also really like Tundra's roll down back window. GMs floor is mostly flat, but not all the way. But, yeah, gut-wise, I really like the looks and feel of GM trucks.
 
Good point about GMC being a little more refined and also the exterior is killer. Best looking truck IMO. Ford is a weird spot right now. I think they have the more interesting package, but the recalls and QC issues are brutal and not getting any better.
thanks for your comments....that QC stuff is my big hesitation with F-150.
 
Buy whatever scares you the least, interests you the most, and can get a deal you can live with. Then buy a manufacturer extended warranty online for half price. They are all so complicated that something expensive will break by 100k miles. Currently, everyone is afraid of the new Tundras, so this might be your best chance to get a good price on a Tundra. The last time I tried to buy one I negotiated on 4 different trucks and they wouldn’t budge at all, which leads me to …

I have NEVER been a Ford guy and for years was a Japanese truck snob. I only owned Nissan and Toyota for two decades. In ‘21 I bought an F150. I drove it 72k miles in 4 years and then the Car Play crapped out. That was the only unscheduled maintenance I ever had to do on it. I had a 100k mile extended warranty ($1855 online from Ziegler Ford) so I paid $50 for the deductible. I had a loaner Ranger for a week paid for by the extended warranty. The dealer replaced the APIM, which they said would have been $4100. I hate to say it, but it is my favorite truck so far. Quiet, economical, well laid out interior, great visibility, no squeaks or rattles after driving it all over western British Columbia, the Yukon, Northwest Territories and Alaska - a few thousand miles of gravel roads. Ram had a huge sale last month, so I ended up getting back in trade and incentives what I paid for my truck 4 years ago. And got $445 back from Ziegler Ford when I cancelled my Ford Platinum ESP. In a few years I may go back to Ford. We’ll see.

Regarding rust, the F150 body doesn’t have corrosion issues and frame rusts less than most, though the rear differential and some parts are designed of material that will have surface rust. There is a video from a guy in British Columbia that goes over a wine red 2015 (I think) F150 that has lived on salted roads. The body is fine. The frame should have been undercoated.

 
What would I say now? That’s always an interesting question. Time changes things and perspectives. I always get asked how I said one thing two years ago and how I could not say the same thing today. I don’t know what to say to that besides things are constantly evolving.

I would say the Tundra has better QC than the Ford. Love what Ford is doing, just too many rattles and build quality issues for me. I feel like that in some of the press cars too. I remember taking a Lincoln Navigator deer hunting one year and it rattled so much I felt like taking the door panel off myself.

That said, this current generation of Tundra has me concerned over the various issues they have faced like the engine recall, the cracked seat, window vibrations, etc… Some people have had no issues and they are really happy. I know many others who haven't had such luck.

Ultimately, I'd go Ford in this case for usability. Flat loading floor, power on board, zone lightning, etc… My two cents.
 
I started my truck buying saga back in 2019. The new RAM 1500 was just rolling out and I was seriously considering buying one. However, after tuning into the various forums I soon discovered a plethora of issue's with this rollout (rear window frame cracks, third brake light water intrusion, brake squeal, electrical issues, hood flexing, RAM box warping). I am sure these issues have been addressed since then.
The second consideration was a RAM 1500 second generation ECODIESEL but again the forums detailed a lot of issues with the bottom end bearing failure in the first generation of this engine.
Then the pandemic hit and everything was put on hold.
Next up was the release of the new Tundra in 2022. I was really interested in the twin turbo engine from an efficiency point of view. Living at 7,500’ a naturally aspirated engine loses 20% of its rated horsepower, hence, my interest in turbos. I put a deposit down on a Tundra but after 6 months and no manufacturing date in site I bailed.
Then I started looking at GMC SIERRAs with the 3 liter diesel. Tim did an interview with the chief engineer (John Berta) of the LZ0, which is the second generation of this engine (LM2 first generation). This interview sold me on that Powertrain. So, long story short, I wound up with a 2023 GMC SIERRA 1500 SLT with the LZ0. This truck was assembled in Mexico and had excellent fit and finish. After more than 17,000 miles I am extremely happy with this truck and would buy another one in a heartbeat.
I have written a number of updates for this truck in a sub category of this forum under GMC SIERRA if you’re interested.
Good luck with your search and selection. Keep us posted.
Thank you!
 
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