Fightnfire
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Listening to Tim and Dave talk about the Land Cruiser peaked my interest mainly because their opinions were so wildly different than mine on a few points.
Highlights:
They both liked the previous $100k model better
Tim doesn't like the design change towards square looking vehicles, not his cup of tea
Is it in direct competition with 4Runner?
The current starting price for a Land Cruiser is $55,950 on the 1958 base, keep in mind on that trim which is 1 of 3 available there are NO optional packages available. One powertrain, one interior you basically get 3 colors to choose from, that's it. The base 1958 gives you the Hybrid powertrain that is coming to tacoma soon. I'm surprised people aren't trying to drive them to get a feel for what the hybrid Tacoma will drive like.
The current 4Runner starts at $40,705. The TRD Pro starts at $55,170 so Land Cruiser is positioned just above the TRD Pro price wise. It wouldn't surprise me to see them shorten up the 4Runner a couple of inches.
I have to give Tommy from TFL some props here, he's been saying for MONTHS that he thinks the 4Runner is going to slot in just below Land Cruiser and be a Toyota Tacoma SUV. Meaning the new 4Runner will mimick everything the Tacoma offers. The new Tacoma starts at $31,500. I think the starting 4Runner is going to come down a touch in price from $40k and will top out around the entry price of a base Land Cruiser. So, 2025 will look like this for Toyota off-roady SUV's 4Runner (37k-55k)<Land Cruiser(55k to $75k)<Sequoia (61k-79k)
Previously if you wanted an off-road capable SUV from Toyota you were jumping from the 4Runner all the way up to Sequoia. I think it makes sense. However, I also love the box squared designs...very happy to see all the rounded or overly angular bs not touch the Land Cruiser. I'm not a fan of the new Tundra or to a lesser degree the Tacoma looks. If I was in the market for an off road capable SUV I would be looking at the Land Cruiser or the new Lexus GX as I think the Sequoia was the big miss here, not the Land Cruiser.
Stole these charts from this article:
www.autoblog.com
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Highlights:
They both liked the previous $100k model better
Tim doesn't like the design change towards square looking vehicles, not his cup of tea
Is it in direct competition with 4Runner?
The current starting price for a Land Cruiser is $55,950 on the 1958 base, keep in mind on that trim which is 1 of 3 available there are NO optional packages available. One powertrain, one interior you basically get 3 colors to choose from, that's it. The base 1958 gives you the Hybrid powertrain that is coming to tacoma soon. I'm surprised people aren't trying to drive them to get a feel for what the hybrid Tacoma will drive like.
The current 4Runner starts at $40,705. The TRD Pro starts at $55,170 so Land Cruiser is positioned just above the TRD Pro price wise. It wouldn't surprise me to see them shorten up the 4Runner a couple of inches.
I have to give Tommy from TFL some props here, he's been saying for MONTHS that he thinks the 4Runner is going to slot in just below Land Cruiser and be a Toyota Tacoma SUV. Meaning the new 4Runner will mimick everything the Tacoma offers. The new Tacoma starts at $31,500. I think the starting 4Runner is going to come down a touch in price from $40k and will top out around the entry price of a base Land Cruiser. So, 2025 will look like this for Toyota off-roady SUV's 4Runner (37k-55k)<Land Cruiser(55k to $75k)<Sequoia (61k-79k)
Previously if you wanted an off-road capable SUV from Toyota you were jumping from the 4Runner all the way up to Sequoia. I think it makes sense. However, I also love the box squared designs...very happy to see all the rounded or overly angular bs not touch the Land Cruiser. I'm not a fan of the new Tundra or to a lesser degree the Tacoma looks. If I was in the market for an off road capable SUV I would be looking at the Land Cruiser or the new Lexus GX as I think the Sequoia was the big miss here, not the Land Cruiser.
Stole these charts from this article:
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2024 Toyota Land Cruiser vs 2023 Toyota 4Runner Spec Comparison - Autoblog
Taking a look at the dimension and engine specs of the new 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser and the existing Toyota 4Runner
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