100,000 x 30,000 = $3,000,000,000. OUCH.
Even if that's retail and say wholesale is 1/3 of that, it is still over a $1B.100,000 x 30,000 = $3,000,000,000. OUCH.![]()
Ok conspiracy theorist...Call me a conspiracy theorist but replacing 100,000 engines leads me to believe there's more to this story than machining debris left in the engine.
I'll try to find the article but it's been reported a few different times that there's ways to tell if the engine is one of the ones affected with machining debris. So all 100,000 shouldn't need replacing unless the other issues being reported with part number changes to various engine components is the real issue.
Sounds like an expensive solution to make sure nobody digs deeper and the problem goes away.
So, what are they going to do with the hybrids with the engines made on the exact same lines and the 2024s having similar issues?Ok conspiracy theorist...![]()
I’d have to agree with the “more than debris” theory. Hopefully “I Do Cars” can get ahold of one of these engines and look into possible other malfunctions. Inquiring minds need to know.Call me a conspiracy theorist but replacing 100,000 engines leads me to believe there's more to this story than machining debris left in the engine.
I'll try to find the article but it's been reported a few different times that there's ways to tell if the engine is one of the ones affected with machining debris. So all 100,000 shouldn't need replacing unless the other issues being reported with part number changes to various engine components is the real issue.
Sounds like an expensive solution to make sure nobody digs deeper and the problem goes away.
I'm expecting them to create a different recall or expand their original one to cover the hybrids.So, what are they going to do with the hybrids with the engines made on the exact same lines and the 2024s having similar issues?
There's been a few part number changes to some of the internal components of the engines recently that has been covered on a few other YouTube channels. I haven't seen anybody get an answer back from Toyota on what the changes were or why they were made.I’d have to agree with the “more than debris” theory. Hopefully “I Do Cars” can get ahold of one of these engines and look into possible other malfunctions. Inquiring minds need to know.![]()
I actually think it’s a solution to avoid a class action suit plus save their reputation. If you look at the cash on hand from Toyota’s financials, a couple billion isn’t much. Also, this sets Toyota apart from other automakers who would not do the same thing when they had similar problems. I expected the remedy to be anything from oil testing and inspection up to total buyback of the trucks due to the logistical issues of engine replacements. I guess Toyota thinks they can handle those logistics. It’s one hell of an undertaking.Call me a conspiracy theorist but replacing 100,000 engines leads me to believe there's more to this story than machining debris left in the engine.
I'll try to find the article but it's been reported a few different times that there's ways to tell if the engine is one of the ones affected with machining debris. So all 100,000 shouldn't need replacing unless the other issues being reported with part number changes to various engine components is the real issue.
Sounds like an expensive solution to make sure nobody digs deeper and the problem goes away.
I can tell you right now that's not going to happen. Toyota goes is mostly mum on recalls and potential issues like most brands.Tim, if you could land an interview with a Toyota engineer to discuss this recall, that would be amazing. Better start building your list of questions. I doubt that will happen anytime soon, but you never know.
Looking back, it really matches what Toyota has done in the past. They stand up and take responsibility, hard to knock that from a company. The rusty taco frames, conducting a recall for uncontrolled acceleration that most believed was just driver error, etc. They could have ignored this, let it go to class action. I think that would have cost less, not more. At the end of most class actions, what do the owners ever get? Usually very little compensation. Well, time to start looking for a good deal on a used 2022 Tundra....
That's a whole different story of course. But until I see some evidence to the contrary, the original story from Toyota appears truthful. Besides, if a company tries to "cover-up" and make a false story the truth, some whistleblower will end it for you. To what benefit would they be hiding something else? Prevent embarrassment? Leaving manufacturing debris in an engine to a poor process is pretty damn embarrassing for any automotive manufacturer.True, I can't knock them for replacing the entire engine, that's great and should start changing the narrative a bit. Just not sold it's the entire story.. There should be more to come when the hybrids and 2024's get addressed.
That's a whole different story of course. But until I see some evidence to the contrary, the original story from Toyota appears truthful. Besides, if a company tries to "cover-up" and make a false story the truth, some whistleblower will end it for you. To what benefit would they be hiding something else? Prevent embarrassment? Leaving manufacturing debris in an engine to a poor process is pretty damn embarrassing for any automotive manufacturer.
Looking back, it really matches what Toyota has done in the past. They stand up and take responsibility, hard to knock that from a company. The rusty taco frames, conducting a recall for uncontrolled acceleration that most believed was just driver error, etc.