Is there a Chevy Silverado stop sale? Yes. Here’s the deets

I'm seeing more and more 6.2L owners on reddit and various forums asking if they should trade in thier 6.2's. I wonder how the Stop Sale affects the dealers ability or willingness to take a 6.2 as a trade in. Does the Stop Sale mean they can't do it? Does it mean that they have less incentive to take a trade in, or that the value of the trade in is diminished?
 
Can we be honest here? wouldn't it have been better for GM to have taken care of this on the 59th engine that self destructed instead of waiting until it was 597,630? don't these warranty departments have any contact with the engineering departments? don't these companies have any sense of urgency? don't these companies have any sense of shame for shafting their customers?
This is BS ridiculous.
 
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Hilux said:
Can we be honest here? wouldn't it have been better for GM to have taken care of this on the 59th engine that self destructed instead of waiting until it was 597,630? don't these warranty departments have any contact with the engineering departments? don't these companies have any sense of urgency? don't these companies have any sense of shame for shafting there customers?
This is BS ridiculous.
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If there hadn't been an NHTSA investigation would GM have done the recall or would they still be dealing with it as isolated events?
 
Hilux said:
Can we be honest here? wouldn't it have been better for GM to have taken care of this on the 59th engine that self destructed instead of waiting until it was 597,630? don't these warranty departments have any contact with the engineering departments? don't these companies have any sense of urgency? don't these companies have any sense of shame for shafting their customers?
This is BS ridiculous.
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I don't disagree with you.

My hunch would tell me they knew about the problem and like most manfucaturers hoped it was minor and that factory warranties would take care of the issue for anyone experiencing it. I also believe they knew exactly how many of these issues existed and possibly exist if it's a part problem. If it's a manufacturing/assembly problem that can be a little trickier.

However, after enough complaints the NHTSA gets involved and finds it's a safety issue. Similar to the Tundra recall, so like Toyota their hand becomes forced yet they still get to claim "They are voluntarily initiating the recall."

This behavior by GM, Ford and Toyota are why consumers have lost trust and are pissed off.

Trust is very hard to build and very easy to lose.

What has this done for me? Well, I've lost trust. So, therefor, I don't really believe the engineers when Tim interviews them. It's good information but I take it with a grain of salt. I don't beleive the reasons we're told why things are the way they are. RAM wants to sell as many trucks as possible and I believe ALL of their messaging is controlled to try and make that happen. I'm sure a lot of what they are saying is true, but some of it is skewed or straight up bullshit.
 
@testerdahl

What do you think about Toyota and now GM ...with plenty of others before. Ignoring obvious consumer complaints and serious issues until the NHTSA, and lawsuits, steps in and forces the manufacturer's hand with a safety issue?

This recall doesn't even touch the lifter issues GM trucks are having and Rams went completely ignored for a dozen years. The list goes on and on.
 
Fightnfire said:
@testerdahl

What do you think about Toyota and now GM ...with plenty of others before. Ignoring obvious consumer complaints and serious issues until the NHTSA, and lawsuits, steps in and forces the manufacturer's hand with a safety issue?

This recall doesn't even touch the lifter issues GM trucks are having and Rams went completely ignored for a dozen years. The list goes on and on.
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I think GM is and was trying to sweep everything under the rug. The fact that they sold more than half a million engines before issuing a recall is insane. And like you said, that does not cover all of their other engines experiencing issues. It's a sad affair all around and for once, I'm happy that the internet exist to call them out on their bullshit.
 
Fightnfire said:
@testerdahl

What do you think about Toyota and now GM ...with plenty of others before. Ignoring obvious consumer complaints and serious issues until the NHTSA, and lawsuits, steps in and forces the manufacturer's hand with a safety issue?

This recall doesn't even touch the lifter issues GM trucks are having and Rams went completely ignored for a dozen years. The list goes on and on.
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Two things. First, it is hard to not give GM shit for not finding this issue. The video I did today I put they missed it 3 times in the title. THREE TIMES! WTF.

Second, I’ve asked a few viewers about the lifters. There’s a feeling the lifters are tied to this recall. I can’t find evidence of that. It is interesting to me people are leaping to that conclusion. Thoughts?

Missed It 3 Times?! GM's 6.2L V8 Engine Recall Field Report Wows
 
And yes, I completely agree with you @Fightnfire. It shouldn’t take the Feds getting involved to find the issues and do the right thing. That’s some grade A BS.

Now, as I’ve said, many times the Feds do get involved and it turns into nothing. For example, there was a case of Ford manipulating their EcoBoost MPG numbers I was sure the Feds would put the hammer down on Ford over. I think my thumbnail was owner’s will get a refund. Turned out to be nothing.

So I have to be a bit careful taking every recall that the Feds get into to attacking automakers. I’ve been wrong before and had egg on my face.
 
testerdahl said:
Two things. First, it is hard to not give GM shit for not finding this issue. The video I did today I put they missed it 3 times in the title. THREE TIMES! WTF.

Second, I’ve asked a few viewers about the lifters. There’s a feeling the lifters are tied to this recall. I can’t find evidence of that. It is interesting to me people are leaping to that conclusion. Thoughts?

Missed It 3 Times?! GM's 6.2L V8 Engine Recall Field Report Wows
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My uneducated opinion is that the lifters are directly tied to the fact that they are collapsible to allow for AFM, DFM and whatever RAM calls it.

They took what for decades was a solid component and turned it into a two-piece collapsible lifter entirely dependent upon oil pressure and extremely precise timing.

I think if you gave an engineer truth serum they would tell you that there is a higher fail rate with a collapsible lifter than a solid lifter and they have deemed it an acceptable cost of doing business to meet demands for better efficiency.

They hope that the majority will go bad before factory warranty or if not they will be covered under extended warranties.

Pay the cost of fines or not meeting EPA and or developing new engines or pay for some lifter repairs, I think they chose that route.

Which reminds me by the way I would like to see some data on how many consumers nowadays are buying extended warranties out of the gate compared to 5, 10, 15 and 20 years ago. That business seems like it's booming and it's consumers putting their money with their mouth is... Because of lack of trust and faith.
 
testerdahl said:
Two things. First, it is hard to not give GM shit for not finding this issue. The video I did today I put they missed it 3 times in the title. THREE TIMES! WTF.

Second, I’ve asked a few viewers about the lifters. There’s a feeling the lifters are tied to this recall. I can’t find evidence of that. It is interesting to me people are leaping to that conclusion. Thoughts?

Missed It 3 Times?! GM's 6.2L V8 Engine Recall Field Report Wows
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In his coverage of the 6.2 recall Getty's Garage brought up an interesting concern about the move to a higher viscosity oil and collapsable lifters.

His concern was that the lifers are designed to work with 0W-20 and that moving to 0W-40 could exacerbate the issue with failing lifters.
 
Sadly, there is such a glaring difference between how GM reacted, and Toyota reacted. GM failed to identify an issue until the NHTSA forced them to whereas Toyota implemented a fix long before they even finished their own investigation or the NHTSA got involved. They looked at their block cleaning process and said, "let's change it just in case". GM took the other direction and ignored it. It's not a good look to have at all.

And the oil viscosity changes from 20 to 40 is huge and very confusing. If the 2025s are not affected, why does that oil viscosity change? Or was the engine always designed with too much slop in the bearings for 0w-20? At its most basic, thicker oil will take up that slop but as chaseydog pointed out, the question of how this will affect the cyl deactivation is now a concern. Has GM addressed that anywhere? Plus. the instructions of "code P0016 appears, change engine". That seems crazy as that code could simply be a crank sensor or timing belt. I really, truly hope that GM is doing the right thing but after closing three other investigations by shrugging shoulders, it is hard to trust them.
 
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